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Intimacy doesn’t have to end when chronic pain begins – it simply requires thoughtful adaptation, clear communication, and a willingness to explore new pathways to pleasure.
• Understanding the crucial difference between pain (stop immediately) and discomfort (slow down and get curious)
• Expanding your definition of intimacy beyond penetrative sex to explore the “whole playground” of possibilities
• Approaching new relationships with honesty about endometriosis without feeling obligated to become an educator
• Recognizing that most female orgasms occur through clitoral stimulation rather than penetration
• Learning that pleasure and pain signals use the same brain pathways, which is why pain can inhibit pleasure
• Embracing acceptance without judgment as a pathway to moving forward
• Considering therapeutic approaches like EMDR to address medical trauma and negative beliefs
• Using communication as your most powerful tool for maintaining intimacy despite chronic illness
If you’re struggling with intimacy issues related to endometriosis or chronic pain, visit The Brooke Center for Counseling and Wellness at thebrookecenter.com or follow @thebrookecenter and @malloryoxendine on Instagram.
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Introduction to EndoBattery
Speaker 1
0:02
Welcome
to
EndoBattery
,
where
I
share
my
journey
with
endometriosis
and
chronic
illness
,
while
learning
and
growing
along
the
way
.
This
podcast
is
not
a
substitute
for
medical
advice
,
but
a
supportive
space
to
provide
community
and
valuable
information
so
you
never
have
to
face
this
journey
alone
.
We
embrace
a
range
of
perspectives
that
may
not
always
align
with
our
own
.
Believing
that
open
dialogue
helps
us
grow
and
gain
new
tools
always
align
with
our
own
.
Believing
that
open
dialogue
helps
us
grow
and
gain
new
tools
.
Join
me
as
I
share
stories
of
strength
,
resilience
and
hope
,
from
personal
experiences
to
expert
insights
.
I'm
your
host
,
alana
,
and
this
is
IndoBattery
charging
our
lives
when
endometriosis
drains
us
.
Welcome
back
to
IndoBattery
.
Grab
your
cup
of
coffee
or
your
cup
of
tea
and
join
me
at
the
table
.
Speaker 1
0:47
Today
,
I'm
joined
at
the
table
by
my
guest
,
mallory
Oxendine
,
who
is
a
licensed
professional
counselor
,
a
certified
sex
therapist
and
is
certified
in
EMDR
therapy
.
She
focuses
her
work
on
sexuality-informed
and
trauma-informed
care
,
working
with
both
individuals
and
couples
.
Informed
and
trauma-informed
care
working
with
both
individuals
and
couples
.
Mallory's
areas
of
focus
include
intimacy
issues
,
women's
health
issues
,
sexual
and
chronic
pain
and
dysfunctions
,
infertility
and
the
prenatal
years
.
She
works
diligently
in
educating
,
empowering
and
journeying
with
those
suffering
with
endometriosis
and
other
chronic
pain
issues
.
Part
one
of
this
episode
with
Mallory
was
very
impactful
.
If
you
haven't
already
listened
to
it
,
it's
episode
120
,
and
I
encourage
you
to
go
back
and
listen
to
it
.
But
this
is
where
we
left
off
and
where
we're
going
.
Speaker 2
1:35
Something
I
.
I
love
this
little
catchphrase
.
I
forget
who
coined
it
,
but
it's
I
can't
truly
say
yes
if
I
can't
say
no
.
I
think
there's
so
much
pressure
that
that
is
put
on
ourselves
,
where
we're
like
like
you're
allowed
to
say
no
,
which
means
that
when
you
say
yes
,
you
are
100
,
mean
it
it's
not
on
a
yes
out
of
duty
or
obligation
or
shoulds
,
but
it's
a
yes
out
of
like
desire
.
So
but
I
only
get
that
when
I
have
the
freedom
and
ability
to
say
no
,
and
a
lot
of
times
we
put
those
expectations
and
those
rules
on
ourselves
.
I
can't
say
no
because
then
that
would
mean
X
,
y
,
z
about
me
.
Yeah
,
usually
in
a
negative
light
.
That's
how
we
talk
to
ourselves
is
usually
in
that
negative
light
.
Speaker 1
2:22
Yeah
,
and
we've
kind
of
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
too
,
but
what
steps
can
those
individuals
take
in
getting
their
sense
of
sexual
agency
back
?
When
pain
becomes
a
persistent
barrier
.
Speaker 2
2:36
I
think
there's
a
difference
and
I
think
this
is
really
hard
when
I'm
working
with
my
gals
who
have
chronic
illness
is
there's
a
difference
between
pain
and
uncomfortable
?
Yeah
,
and
I
.
It's
important
to
know
that
because
I
think
when
there's
pain
,
we
need
to
stop
and
to
honor
our
body
every
time
,
regardless
of
what
we're
doing
,
but
especially
with
sex
and
intimacy
,
when
it's
uncomfortable
.
That's
when
I
want
us
to
slow
down
and
be
curious
.
So
,
pain
,
we're
going
to
stop
.
Uncomfortable
,
we're
going
to
slow
down
and
be
curious
.
So
pain
,
we're
going
to
stop
.
Uncomfortable
,
we're
going
to
slow
down
and
be
curious
.
Is
it
the
position
we're
in
?
Is
it
?
Do
I
have
enough
lube
?
Like
,
is
there
some
practical
things
going
on
that
will
make
a
difference
here
?
Speaker 2
3:18
And
so
I
think
,
differentiating
those
two
things
,
first
and
foremost
,
because
,
like
,
like
you
said
,
we
don't
want
to
push
through
pain
.
That's
never
,
never
,
okay
.
It
does
hurt
ourselves
physically
,
mentally
,
you
know
,
in
all
the
ways
.
And
so
uncomfortable
though
,
like
what
?
What
can
we
do
to
slow
down
,
be
curious
and
pivot
,
as
we
need
to
explore
and
figure
out
where
there
is
pleasure
or
positive
.
There
will
be
times
when
there's
not
any
,
and
that's
okay
.
Right
,
that's
okay
.
We
can
just
pause
and
and
try
again
or
do
something
different
later
.
Speaker 2
3:50
But
like
,
where
is
their
pleasure
?
Where
is
their
enjoyment
?
Maybe
there's
only
sexual
or
enjoyment
,
and
then
maybe
sexual
pleasure
arousal
with
a
back
rub
okay
,
like
,
that's
not
one
of
the
like
,
that's
not
a
sexual
Like
,
that's
not
one
of
the
like
,
that's
not
a
sexual
organ
,
it's
not
one
of
those
things
.
But
like
,
maybe
that's
where
you
feel
most
aroused
and
relaxed
is
after
receiving
a
back
rub
.
What
would
it
look
like
for
y'all
just
to
do
back
rubs
one
night
?
So
there's
just
.
I
guess
my
biggest
encouragement
to
people
is
to
not
limit
themselves
Sexual Agency & Pain vs. Discomfort
Speaker 2
4:20
to
what
it
has
to
be
or
what
it
shouldn't
be
,
but
really
like
,
take
the
barriers
down
and
be
willing
to
explore
and
try
things
out
.
And
it's
okay
to
be
.
There's
no
test
.
Yeah
,
when
no
one's
,
no
one's
getting
a
grade
,
no
,
you're
not
going
to
fail
like
kids
or
adults
and
we're
living
life
.
We
get
to
like
,
be
messy
and
figure
it
out
and
go
.
Well
,
that
was
awkward
,
and
so
let's
go
watch
a
movie
instead
.
Speaker 1
4:44
Okay
,
like
,
let's
let's
laugh
about
this
a
little
bit
and
then
move
on
.
Yeah
,
you
know
,
I'm
probably
one
of
those
people
that
I
,
one
of
my
coping
mechanisms
tends
to
be
laughter
,
and
so
I've
always
found
the
humor
in
little
things
like
that
.
And
I
will
say
it
is
helpful
.
As
long
as
it's
done
in
an
appropriate
time
and
you're
not
laughing
at
an
inappropriate
time
,
it
can
be
very
good
,
just
you
know
.
And
and
there
are
those
times
of
disappointment
I
will
say
you
know
there's
.
Speaker 1
5:17
There
was
one
specific
time
where
I
remember
feeling
undesirable
and
feeling
very
,
and
it
was
.
It
wasn't
even
that
,
it
was
that
my
husband
was
protecting
me
,
or
he
thought
he
was
,
because
he
didn't
want
to
hurt
me
or
didn't
want
to
pressure
me
or
didn't
want
.
And
so
that's
where
that
communication
,
and
then
also
looking
at
me
at
,
you
know
,
am
I
,
am
I
being
kind
to
myself
,
you
know
?
Am
I
,
am
I
in
pain
or
am
I
just
not
comfortable
?
Am
I
,
you
know
?
Am
I
talking
to
him
about
that
?
Am
I
,
you
know
?
So
I
think
they
get
taking
,
taking
inventory
of
where
I'm
at
sometimes
and
then
taking
inventory
where
we
are
at
,
which
I
think
is
why
couples
counseling
is
a
great
tool
to
have
,
because
sometimes
we
don't
talk
unless
someone
brings
out
those
little
things
,
or
we
forget
about
them
or
we
step
aside
.
Speaker 2
6:15
You
know
of
that
situation
,
or
we've
blacked
it
out
because
we
don't
want
to
address
it
.
Speaker 1
6:21
It's
very
real
.
Yeah
,
it's
just
very
real
.
You
know
we've
talked
a
lot
about
established
couples
.
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
getting
into
new
relationships
and
are
dealing
with
chronic
illness
and
chronic
pain
.
How
can
they
approach
a
potential
new
partner
about
some
of
these
things
that
we've
talked
about
,
about
the
persistent
pain
,
about
the
challenges
that
are
going
to
come
up
because
of
this
?
Speaker 2
6:49
Knowing
where
you
are
at
when
you
go
into
a
relationship
and
like
where
you're
at
physically
,
where
you're
at
in
your
illness
,
but
also
where
you're
at
like
in
this
relationship
.
Like
what
?
What
are
you
wanting
?
Are
you
wanting
to
pursue
physical
intimacy
at
all
?
Are
you
wanting
to
like
wait
it
out
and
see
?
Kind
of
knowing
where
you
were
at
will
help
better
set
the
stage
.
I
think
.
First
and
foremost
.
So
,
attuning
to
self
First
,
like
you
said
a
few
moments
ago
,
having
conversations
up
front
front
,
a
lot
of
the
single
sexuality
or
uses
the
term
dtr
right
define
the
relationship
which
is
it's
a
term
,
it's
been
around
for
a
long
time
,
but
a
long
time
it's
a
long
time
,
but
I
think
it
can
be
helpful
of
like
,
hey
,
let
me
define
where
I'm
at
,
what's
going
on
for
me
,
and
let
me
let
you
know
parts
of
me
,
and
then
I
would
encourage
people
to
do
that
as
it
feels
safe
to
so
felt
.
Safety
is
very
important
.
That
shows
up
in
established
relationships
too
.
But
usually
there's
a
level
of
safety
already
ideally
established
if
you're
in
a
committed
or
longterm
relationship
.
But
you're
building
that
trust
and
safety
in
these
newer
relationships
and
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
dump
if
you
will
Like
so
,
and
you
know
we
kind
of
go
on
and
on
and
on
.
But
like
,
hey
,
I'm
curious
what
your
expectations
are
for
intimacy
in
this
relationship
.
I
am
holding
this
loosely
,
or
I
feel
this
way
.
I
do
struggle
with
endometriosis
.
I'd
love
to
introduce
and
tell
you
about
that
a
little
bit
or
send
you
links
to
learn
about
it
.
Speaker 2
8:36
It
is
not
.
This
is
for
everyone
.
It
is
not
your
job
to
teach
or
inform
everyone
.
That's
a
big
role
that
people
with
chronic
illness
take
on
that
,
technically
,
isn't
theirs
to
own
unless
they
want
to
.
Um
,
because
it's
a
lot
of
energy
and
,
yeah
,
a
lot
of
you
doing
like
you
doing
this
with
no
battery
,
like
you've
decided
to
like
step
into
this
world
and
do
that
,
and
so
you
would
know
better
than
anyone
how
much
energy
and
work
that
it
takes
.
Speaker 2
9:08
And
I
have
listened
to
your
podcast
.
Like
there's
parts
of
it
.
They're
like
you
have
been
blessed
in
a
way
to
share
your
story
.
That
is
that
way
.
It's
not
.
It's
that
doesn't
.
That's
not
a
requirement
of
everyone
right
to
be
the
teacher
of
everyone
else
in
their
life
.
That's
a
big
role
that
you
didn't
sign
up
for
necessarily
,
and
so
I
just
want
to
preface
that
.
As
I
said
,
to
teach
your
partner
.
I
want
to
backtrack
that
a
little
bit
.
It's
one
thing
to
go
.
Hey
,
I
had
this
.
Here's
some
resources
for
them
to
teach
themselves
,
and
then
they
can
come
to
you
with
questions
,
as
you're
willing
to
answer
.
But
it's
not
your
job
to
teach
everyone
you
meet
or
everyone
you're
in
relationship
with
about
the
disease
.
Speaker 1
9:49
That's
so
true
.
It
is
hard
to
educate
people
on
this
disease
when
it's
overwhelming
to
you
to
educate
yourself
,
and
I
think
that's
you
know
.
I
took
this
role
knowing
what
I
was
getting
myself
in
.
Mostly
,
but
mostly
not
,
I
know
it's
good
,
but
it
is
hard
and
it's
taxing
and
it
can
be
very
traumatizing
at
times
and
it
can
be
triggering
often
to
talk
about
it
over
and
over
again
,
but
there
are
tools
and
there
are
resources
where
you
could
send
them
to
learn
more
about
it
.
Speaker 1
10:27
A
good
example
of
this
and
I'm
going
to
say
he
would
be
okay
with
me
saying
this
is
Mike
Baker
,
who
Approaching Intimacy in New Relationships
Speaker 1
10:34
runs
the
account
endodad76
,
I
believe
,
is
the
handle
.
He
is
a
husband
and
a
father
of
endo
patients
and
he
took
it
upon
himself
to
learn
about
this
disease
.
He
took
it
upon
himself
.
I
remember
the
first
time
I
met
him
in
person
was
at
the
endometriosis
summit
,
and
he
came
by
himself
.
He
didn't
come
with
his
wife
,
he
didn't
come
with
his
daughter
,
and
I
think
it
shows
a
lot
to
the
people
you
love
that
are
walking
through
this
journey
that
you
want
to
learn
more
about
it
and
you
want
to
understand
the
disease
better
.
Speaker 1
11:08
But
not
putting
you
in
a
position
to
have
to
teach
them
is
huge
.
That's
any
partner
listening
to
this
.
I
hope
you
are
.
I
hope
that
your
partner
can
listen
to
this
and
learn
,
because
it
is
a
lot
of
work
to
educate
,
but
I
think
that
you
shouldn't
have
to
.
No
,
you
do
it
together
.
That's
a
great
way
of
doing
.
It
is
doing
it
together
,
and
then
I
and
maybe
you
would
say
otherwise
,
but
for
me
I've
left
space
for
the
people
around
me
,
whether
it
is
my
partner
or
whether
it
is
my
loved
ones
to
ask
me
any
questions
they
want
to
,
as
long
as
they
don't
push
a
boundary
line
with
you
.
It's
important
that
you're
open
to
answering
these
questions
to
help
better
understand
each
other
.
Speaker 2
11:55
Yes
,
Because
I
think
learning
and
educating
yourself
about
the
disease
is
first
and
foremost
,
but
then
also
okay
.
So
how
does
that
affect
you
?
Like
,
does
this
these
symptoms
?
Do
you
experience
?
Like
being
able
to
learn
the
individual
story
,
the
person
you're
sitting
with
Because
we're
not
textbooks
,
right
,
we
were
worried
.
We
don't
all
fit
into
this
beautiful
diagnosis
thing
.
Like
,
people
have
variations
to
how
the
illness
shows
up
for
them
and
some
symptoms
are
stronger
than
others
and
some
people
struggle
with
other
parts
of
it
,
and
so
there's
just
components
where
,
like
,
there's
educating
yourself
about
the
disease
and
then
there's
getting
to
know
the
person
in
front
of
you
and
knowing
what
it
looks
like
for
them
.
Right
,
it's
the
both
end
of
that
.
Speaker 1
12:41
And
that
is
like
it's
interesting
.
If
you
were
to
sit
down
in
a
circle
with
people
who
have
endometriosis
,
you
will
learn
that
there
are
similarities
but
there
are
a
lot
of
differences
,
and
you
will
learn
that
what
one
person
has
had
success
with
,
someone
else
has
not
,
and
that
is
true
in
relationships
.
Speaker 1
13:02
What
some
relationships
do
well
with
others
will
not
,
and
that
speaks
to
how
individualized
we
all
are
,
not
just
the
people
who
are
living
with
endometriosis
,
but
also
the
partners
that
are
with
these
people
.
And
so
just
knowing
that
and
knowing
how
it
affects
the
individual
and
knowing
how
it
can
affect
you
as
a
couple
is
really
important
.
And
I
had
one
person
tell
me
.
She
said
you
know
,
I
told
my
partner
what
I
had
prior
to
us
getting
real
serious
and
the
effects
that
it
would
have
on
a
relationship
,
and
I
gave
him
an
out
.
I
said
if
you
can't
do
this
,
walk
away
.
And
I
was
like
I
don't
know
if
I
could
do
that
.
That
was
a
really
strong
thing
for
you
to
like
.
I
don't
know
if
I
could
do
that
.
That
was
a
really
strong
thing
for
you
to
do
.
I
don't
know
if
I
could
do
that
.
But
I
also
think
that
it's
fair
to
say
this
is
kind
of
what
this
disease
looks
like
.
Speaker 1
13:55
Will
it
always
go
this
way
?
Maybe
not
,
but
this
is
what
it
looks
like
and
can
you
do
this
?
Is
that
fair
for
people
to
do
?
I
?
Speaker 2
14:02
think
I
.
Can
you
do
this
?
Is
that
fair
for
people
to
do
?
I
think
I
don't
know
that
I
could
speak
to
.
I'm
thinking
,
I'm
like
,
have
my
thinking
eyes
.
Speaker 1
14:09
I
don't
know
that
I
could
speak
to
that
?
Speaker 2
14:11
Yeah
,
For
a
general
answer
to
that
.
I
I
I
do
think
that
informing
and
not
surprising
people
is
kind
.
So
Brene
Brown's
you
know
one
of
her
famous
quotes
is
clear
as
kind
,
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
truth
to
that
.
So
,
like
being
as
clear
as
you
can
with
what
you
know
and
you
probably
don't
know
everything
yet
about
yourself
or
about
the
disease
and
how
it
shows
up
for
you
but
being
as
clear
as
you
can
,
as
kind
,
and
then
informing
.
I
think
it
matters
to
say
,
hey
,
I
have
endo
and
this
is
what
this
looks
like
for
me
and
this
is
what
this
could
mean
,
and
I
also
think
it's
important
to
let
them
know
what
that
means
to
you
right
it's
like
,
and
I
feel
this
way
about
potential
infertility
,
and
I
feel
this
way
about
the
chronic
pain
that
I
deal
with
,
and
I
feel
this
way
about
the
constant
doctors
that
have
dismissed
me
.
Speaker 2
15:06
and
I
like
going
over
how
it
actually
feels
for
you
,
not
just
the
data
points
of
what
it
is
right
,
because
one's
transparency
,
which
is
good
,
clear
,
kind
,
and
then
one's
vulnerability
,
which
is
what
leads
to
intimacy
,
and
so
we
need
transparency
,
but
like
,
can
you
tell
,
even
if
it's
like
,
hey
,
here's
an
out
and
that's
the
the
route
you
decide
to
go
right
,
like
letting
them
know
,
hey
,
here's
what
I
mentally
and
emotionally
go
through
,
all
these
data
points
when
I'm
living
,
all
these
data
points
,
here's
what's
happening
to
me
.
For
me
,
I
think
that
is
a
more
intimate
picture
of
who
you
are
and
the
complexity
than
just
like
I
have
endometriosis
and
here's
the
data
about
it
.
It's
like
,
no
,
but
Understanding Individual Experiences
Speaker 2
15:54
who
are
you
as
an
individual
who
does
have
endometriosis
?
Yeah
,
what
does
that
look
like
for
?
Speaker 1
15:59
you
yeah
,
and
that's
a
good
point
too
is
like
endometriosis
.
What
does
that
look
like
for
you
?
Yeah
,
and
that's
a
good
point
too
is
like
endometriosis
doesn't
define
you
,
and
I
think
it's
hard
,
when
we're
constantly
in
pain
because
of
it
,
to
not
allow
it
to
define
us
and
not
allow
it
to
define
our
lives
and
our
worth
and
our
abilities
and
our
capabilities
,
and
our
worth
and
our
abilities
and
our
capabilities
.
But
I
do
think
to
allow
it
,
to
allow
yourself
the
space
to
explain
what
it
is
to
you
and
how
it
affects
you
and
the
deeper
meaning
of
what
it
can
potentially
bring
up
.
You
said
infertility
that's
a
great
point
.
You
know
talking
about
those
things
that
it
could
affect
significantly
.
I
think
isility
that's
a
great
point
.
You
know
talking
about
those
things
that
it
could
affect
significantly
I
think
is
important
,
and
to
remember
it
doesn't
define
you
.
That's
so
hard
to
remember
when
you're
in
the
midst
of
pain
all
the
time
you
know
.
Speaker 1
16:53
What
is
one
piece
of
advice
that
you
would
give
someone
who
feels
hopeless
about
ever
experiencing
a
fulfilling
sex
life
again
?
Speaker 2
17:00
Sex
is
broad
and
available
to
you
and
how
you
can
receive
it
and
want
it
,
and
so
I
think
I
really
encourage
people
especially
there's
a
big
or
we
haven't
talked
about
orgasms
yet
,
but
there's
a
big
orgasm
gap
between
in
the
research
,
between
male
and
female
,
and
that's
a
lot
of
the
way
that
Westernized
culture
has
deemed
what
sex
is
.
But
I'm
like
I'm
part
of
,
I
tell
couples
this
.
I'm
like
my
job
is
for
y'all
to
go
have
good
,
pleasurable
sex
when
you
want
,
how
much
you
want
,
whatever
you
want
,
both
consenting
,
like
I've
done
,
double
done
.
That's
how
you
leave
my
office
.
Speaker 2
17:41
But
I
want
to
encourage
people
as
kind
of
advice
and
that
like
it
is
not
just
the
trail
of
intercourse
,
you
have
a
whole
playground
that
you
can
choose
from
and
be
curious
about
and
explore
with
and
just
invite
them
to
step
into
that
,
which
is
scary
.
It's
scary
if
I
only
know
how
to
swing
,
to
go
.
Try
to
do
the
monkey
bars
.
That's
scary
,
but
it's
there
for
you
and
you
have
there's
no
pass
or
fail
.
You
have
your
life
to
figure
it
out
.
And
ideally
,
sex
gets
better
as
we
age
because
we
become
more
to
with
ourselves
and
we
know
what
feels
good
and
what
doesn't
.
Yeah
,
and
so
ideally
like
it's
only
going
to
get
better
from
here
,
and
so
I
encourage
people
that
to
give
a
little
bit
of
hope
.
Speaker 1
18:24
Yeah
,
we
need
that
hope
.
We
need
that
hope
gets
better
.
Okay
,
you
talked
about
orgasms
and
we're
going
to
go
there
because
this
is
important
too
.
Tell
us
what
we
need
to
know
,
as
someone
with
endometriosis
or
chronic
illness
,
about
orgasms
.
Is
that
achievable
?
Is
it
something
that
can
cause
a
flare
in
your
opinion
?
Or
have
you
seen
patients
?
Because
obviously
you're
not
a
medical
provider
,
but
patients
come
in
,
they
talk
.
You
need
to
understand
that
piece
of's
a
bit
too
,
right
?
Yes
,
so
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
that
.
Speaker 2
19:03
Yeah
,
so
orgasms
are
.
I
just
also
want
to
preface
this
because
a
lot
of
people
are
not
aware
of
this
A
lot
of
times
,
for
women
,
most
of
the
orgasms
are
experienced
are
through
the
clitoris
which
is
externally
for
them
the
clitoris
which
is
externally
for
them
,
and
usually
there's
not
enough
movement
at
the
correct
tempo
or
speed
or
how
however
you
want
to
say
it
when
there
was
penetration
.
Speaker 2
19:28
So
I
just
want
to
like
preface
that
in
that
,
like
,
most
orgasms
for
women
occur
not
in
penetrative
intercourse
,
right
,
just
like
all
those
expectations
of
like
I
never
have
an
orgasm
when
we're
,
you
know
,
having
been
a
great
,
of
course
.
Well
,
most
,
most
women
don't
,
and
that's
,
that's
okay
,
um
,
and
so
I
want
to
just
preface
that
.
Um
,
it's
usually
something
that
women
feel
a
lot
of
relief
about
.
It's
okay
to
need
.
I
also
want
to
say
it's
okay
to
need
extra
help
,
or
that's
something
to
talk
about
as
a
couple
,
what
it
looks
like
to
have
toys
or
devices
,
or
like
different
types
of
lube
and
things
like
that
.
Talk
through
and
what
,
where
you're
comfortable
as
a
couple
.
But
I
would
invite
you
to
have
those
conversations
.
With
orgasms
,
it
is
a
contracting
right
of
the
pelvic
floor
muscles
.
That's
what's
actually
occurring
in
the
genitals
,
so
blood
flows
to
the
genitals
when
we're
aroused
,
and
then
,
with
orgasm
,
the
muscles
contract
around
the
clitoris
and
so
the
orgasms
actually
happen
.
Speaker 2
20:33
In
our
brain
,
though
,
so
,
the
pleasure
that
we
feel
is
actually
occurring
in
our
brain
.
That's
where
our
pleasure
and
pain
centers
are
located
,
not
in
our
genitals
,
and
so
the
pleasure
is
occurring
in
our
brain
,
even
though
there
is
muscle
contraction
happening
in
the
pelvic
floor
,
and
so
something
to
be
mindful
of
is
where
there
is
pleasure
.
We
usually
don't
have
pain
.
So
if
we're
having
a
lot
of
pain
not
that
we
can't
,
it's
just
going
to
be
more
rare
for
that
pleasure
to
be
able
to
be
achieved
at
that
level
.
Once
again
,
there's
something
pain
and
uncomfortable
.
So
for
a
little
uncomfortable
or
a
little
,
all
pleasure
is
a
lot
more
achievable
.
Speaker 2
21:14
But
if
we're
having
pain
,
pleasure
is
going
to
be
harder
to
reach
because
it's
coming
from
the
same
part
of
our
brain
,
right
,
and
so
that
I
just
want
to
encourage
women
with
that
too
.
If
they're
like
well
,
like
that's
okay
,
we
can
grieve
it
.
We
don't
like
that
.
I'm
not
saying
we're
like
hunky-dory
about
it
,
um
,
but
to
educate
that
like
it's
okay
that
it
does
that
.
That's
how
the
brain
operates
.
It's
coming
from
the
same
part
of
the
brain
,
so
the
pleasure
center
um
is
coming
,
is
coming
from
that
same
area
,
and
so
being
able
to
find
what
is
pleasurable
to
you
,
um
is
,
is
a
big
proponent
and
that's
where
we
go
back
to
being
curious
and
playful
and
things
like
that
.
Speaker 1
21:57
But
I
think
the
thing
to
say
here
,
too
,
is
that
if
it's
not
,
if
you're
trying
to
achieve
a
state
of
euphoria
,
pain
is
not
going
to
do
it
for
you
.
So
it's
okay
to
step
back
and
know
that
you
don't
have
to
have
penetrative
sex
to
have
that
,
because
you
won't
be
in
pain
sometimes
if
it's
not
penetrative
.
So
you're
actually
going
to
achieve
more
pleasure
from
each
other
if
you
talk
about
it
in
that
way
.
I
want
to
pleasure
you
.
Speaker 1
22:29
I
don't
necessarily
need
to
do
it
one
way
or
another
for
me
,
but
if
it
brings
pleasure
to
you
,
then
let's
approach
it
that
way
,
and
it's
good
to
know
that
it
doesn't
have
to
be
penetrative
.
Speaker 2
22:41
Yes
.
Speaker 1
22:42
Because
many
don't
enjoy
that
,
because
it
is
painful
.
So
there
is
a
way
to
achieve
pleasure
for
both
,
if
you
know
that
.
Speaker 2
22:52
Yes
,
I
also
want
to
debunk
the
myth
that
mutual
orgasms
at
the
same
time
as
like
this
epiphany
euphoric
,
like
once
again
,
movie
sex
,
not
real
.
So
like
it's
okay
if
you
have
a
turn
and
then
your
partner
has
a
turn
,
or
your
partner
goes
Orgasms, Pleasure & Pain Connection
Speaker 2
23:10
first
and
then
you
like
that's
okay
,
it's
,
it's
,
that's
.
That's
a
way
more
normal
and
common
than
the
like
mutual
orgasmic
experience
where
everyone's
finishing
at
the
same
time
.
That's
just
not
as
not
that
it's
not
possible
,
but
it's
very
rare
compared
to
what
we
see
in
media
.
Speaker 1
23:30
Um
this
is
not
50
shades
of
gray
,
there's
just
let's
put
it
out
there
,
we're
gonna
say
this
if
you
,
if
that
is
your
,
your
dream
,
you
will
be
very
disappointed
.
Yeah
,
yes
,
for
most
people
.
I
can't
say
for
everyone
,
but
I
think
for
most
people
.
Yeah
,
like
we're
human
,
I
think
it's
so
interesting
that
we
have
this
skewed
perception
of
what
the
human
body
is
and
is
capable
of
,
sometimes
Like
I
don't
really
know
where
that
came
from
capable
of
,
sometimes
Like
I
don't
really
know
where
that
came
from
,
but
I
just
there
are
times
that
we
put
expectations
of
this
movie
sex
in
our
heads
and
it
becomes
so
much
more
disappointing
to
us
and
then
we
start
feeling
disappointment
in
the
relationship
and
I
think
that
maybe
that's
something
we
should
talk
about
is
our
own
disappointment
in
the
way
that
we
project
that
into
our
relationship
and
how
that
affects
the
relationship
long
term
,
because
I
mean
,
I
know
that
if
I
feel
disappointed
and
I
project
that
into
my
husband
,
he's
going
to
feel
disappointed
.
Then
there's
that
whole
miscommunication
,
lack
of
communication
thing
.
Speaker 2
24:42
It's
cycle
,
start
cycle
right
or
just
missing
each
other
,
misunderstanding
,
miscommunication
,
just
constantly
missing
and
I
think
that
bleeds
into
other
areas
of
our
life
.
Speaker 2
24:55
100
yeah
yeah
,
um
,
your
,
your
true
marriage
and
family
therapist
will
talk
about
,
like
the
cycles
,
patterns
of
couple
dynamics
and
even
just
relationship
dynamics
.
But
the
cycles
and
patterns
that
we
do
with
sex
often
mirror
or
are
very
similar
to
finances
,
in-laws
,
parenting
work
,
like
running
the
household
,
like
all
the
other
factors
it
plays
out
.
Yeah
,
they
all
kind
of
mirror
each
other
,
so
we
show
that
cycle
in
other
ways
.
For
sure
.
Yeah
,
yeah
,
the
.
I
thought
of
something
as
you
were
sharing
that
,
the
.
I
think
one
of
the
bigger
things
too
,
with
the
reason
that
we
have
these
kind
of
misconstrued
beliefs
about
what
sex
should
look
like
.
Like
it's
because
a
lot
of
our
education
was
from
media
,
like
the
amount
of
millennial
women
who
are
like
the
notebook
,
and
I'm
like
,
oh
boy
whoa
,
that's
a
reference
point
.
Speaker 1
25:55
We
get
basic
biology
.
It's
the
notebook
the
notebook
.
Speaker 2
25:59
I'm
like
good
book
but
also
like
is
that
the
best
sex
education
we
could
have
?
No
like
.
And
so
some
of
that
too
is
um
,
educating
about
sex
and
about
like
intimacy
and
and
all
of
that
.
There's
a
book
called
total
intimacy
and
it
talks
about
three
different
colors
of
intimacy
purple
,
I
think
it's
purple
green
and
orange
.
But
it
talks
about
like
a
friendship
intimacy
where
,
like
I'll
hold
my
best
friend's
hand
while
we're
walking
to
dinner
or
like
I'll
give
a
big
hug
to
,
you
know
,
my
sister-in-law
,
my
brother
and
the
like
,
and
it's
like
.
It's
not
sexual
,
but
it's
like
this
intimacy
of
touch
and
connection
that
we
have
.
And
then
there's
gosh
I'm
drawing
a
blank
on
the
second
one
,
the
orange
one
.
And
then
the
last
one
is
exotic
,
erotic
,
exotic
Whoa
.
Speaker 2
26:47
Which
could
be
both
Could
be
both
Erotic
intimacy
,
and
that's
more
of
like
what
we're
talking
about
here
,
with
like
the
intercourse
and
things
like
that
course
and
things
like
that
.
And
so
buffing
up
our
green
and
our
purple
intimacy
,
where
there's
like
layers
of
sensual
touch
that
don't
mean
anything
and
that
aren't
sex
truly
,
and
all
of
that
really
helps
to
bolster
so
that
when
we
have
more
erotic
time
or
intimate
time
like
that
,
we
actually
have
high
desire
,
we
have
high
arousal
,
we're
att
arousal
,
we're
attuned
with
our
bodies
,
we're
attuned
with
our
spouse
and
our
partner
to
be
able
to
say
that
all
of
those
things
.
Speaker 1
27:25
Innuendos
work
great
.
I'm
just
telling
you
right
now
,
as
a
couple
,
innuendos
are
fun
.
That's
just
my
advice
right
there
,
and
I
I
have
no
right
to
give
you
advice
at
all
on
that
,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
,
when
you
have
young
children
around
you
,
innuendos
are
awesome
.
That's
my
,
that's
my
takeaway
for
everyone
Talk
in
your
code
,
okay
,
make
it
fun
,
you
know
,
and
I
do
think
like
we
have
to
remember
that
intimacy
can
be
fun
.
Speaker 2
28:01
Yes
,
I
would
argue
,
and
I'm
it
is
.
It
is
designed
to
be
.
I'm
not
going
to
say
it
should
be
,
because
shoulds
often
leave
us
with
guilt
and
shame
feelings
.
Okay
,
but
like
it
is
designed
,
you
have
the
choice
and
the
freedom
for
it
to
be
fun
,
yes
,
and
you
get
to
choose
to
engage
in
that
,
should
you
want
to
.
Right
.
Speaker 1
28:21
Yeah
,
and
it's
okay
to
laugh
things
off
sometimes
and
no
one
needs
to
give
you
permission
.
But
if
you
need
to
hear
that
it's
okay
to
do
that
,
it's
okay
to
do
that
.
You
know
,
if
you
need
permission
to
do
that
,
then
do
it
.
I
don't
think
there
is
a
textbook
to
how
you
desire
your
pleasure
,
because
you're
individualized
.
Speaker 2
28:47
Yes
,
and
there's
goodness
in
that
.
That
is
good
.
Speaker 1
28:52
Yes
,
yeah
,
and
there's
freedom
in
that
,
isn't
it
Right
?
Speaker 1
28:57
Yeah
,
to
be
able
to
be
individualized
in
that
desire
.
Yeah
,
man
,
we
are
covering
so
many
good
things
here
today
,
looking
forward
to
this
discussion
for
so
many
reasons
,
but
like
just
to
sit
down
and
feel
okay
talking
about
this
in
a
space
that
can
be
uncomfortable
for
many
people
.
When
you're
dealing
with
chronic
illness
and
chronic
pain
,
it's
really
hard
to
want
to
talk
about
intimacy
and
yet
we
desire
it
so
much
,
right
,
and
so
it's
just
it
can
be
.
There
are
moments
that
we
feel
like
we
have
failed
our
partners
or
that
our
body
has
failed
us
,
and
our
body
is
giving
us
exactly
what
it
can
,
and
the
disease
has
a
mind
of
its
own
,
and
I
think
part
of
getting
back
to
this
center
of
joy
and
intimacy
is
sometimes
grieving
those
things
that
we
can't
control
and
letting
I
don't
even
want
to
say
letting
go
,
because
it
always
holds
onto
us
at
some
point
right
,
but
maybe
changing
our
expectation
around
it
.
I
don't
know
what
are
some
tips
that
you
would
have
Acceptance Without Judgment
Speaker 1
30:12
for
your
patients
walking
in
with
that
feeling
.
Speaker 2
30:16
Yeah
,
this
goes
back
to
the
definition
from
John
Townsend's
book
People
Fuel
I
mentioned
a
little
while
ago
.
But
acceptance
means
to
connect
without
judgment
,
which
means
no
praise
,
no
blame
,
and
I
think
that
is
huge
.
And
one
of
the
first
steps
that
has
to
happen
is
being
able
to
accept
myself
as
I
am
today
.
It's
being
able
to
accept
my
diagnosis
or
the
disease
,
and
I'm
not
saying
that
we're
like
okay
with
it
.
Acceptance
does
not
mean
that
Right
,
right
.
It
means
to
connect
without
judgment
.
Speaker 2
30:50
I'm
not
shaming
myself
for
having
the
disease
or
I'm
not
,
you
know
,
belittling
myself
because
I
should
have
caught
it
sooner
or
what
.
You
know
all
the
ways
that
our
brain
goes
to
trick
us
into
that
negative
thought
spiral
but
just
accepting
.
Okay
,
this
is
where
I'm
at
today
and
by
doing
that
acceptance
we're
actually
able
to
move
forward
into
the
things
that
we
want
.
It
gives
us
energy
and
it
fills
our
tank
up
with
like
goodness
and
joy
of
like
.
I
can
do
the
next
thing
for
me
,
the
next
best
thing
for
me
,
right
,
and
my
hope
is
that
at
times
and
often
,
that
that's
intimacy
,
that's
connection
,
whether
that's
just
emotional
intimacy
and
being
seen
and
known
by
someone
besides
you
,
all
the
way
to
that
being
,
you
know
,
physical
intimacy
with
your
partner
.
Like
there
is
a
component
where
that
is
that
acceptance
of
the
here's
where
I'm
at
today
and
I'm
okay
with
that
.
Speaker 2
31:44
I'm
not
okay
in
accepting
,
like
,
I'm
not
happy
about
this
,
but
I'm
okay
in
accepting
that
this
is
where
I'm
at
today
.
I
don't
have
any
judgment
for
myself
.
I
think
that's
a
and
that's
a
hard
practice
to
do
.
So
let's
practice
that
I'm
not
just
like
it's
a
and
that's
a
hard
practice
to
do
.
So
let's
practice
that
I'm
not
just
like
.
It's
a
lot
easier
for
me
just
to
say
that
than
it
is
to
do
that
.
I
realize
that
,
but
that
is
a
skill
that
I
think
.
If
we
can
master
that
,
nothing
can
stop
us
,
nothing
can
hold
us
back
.
Speaker 1
32:10
Yeah
,
oh
,
we
needed
to
hear
that
.
I
think
you
know
,
just
without
judgment
you
know
,
there's
that
whole
trend
going
on
online
right
now
.
We
listen
and
we
don't
judge
.
If
you
look
at
yourself
in
the
mirror
,
you
know
it's
like
the
affirmations
.
You
know
we
listen
and
we
don't
judge
.
What
are
the
best
tools
for
people
to
have
to
navigate
this
,
in
your
opinion
?
What
are
some
tools
that
they
can
take
and
tangibly
use
to
get
healthy
in
their
relationship
when
it
comes
to
intimacy
as
well
as
mental
health
?
Speaker 2
32:56
Communication
is
huge
.
I
think
that's
come
up
in
every
like
small
part
that
we've
talked
about
today
,
and
so
learning
how
to
communicate
is
worth
every
minute
spent
or
dollar
spent
,
or
however
it
is
.
Learning
how
to
communicate
well
is
huge
.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
hurts
that
we
feel
in
relationships
,
whether
that's
relationship
with
ourself
or
with
others
is
,
begins
with
miscommunication
or
misattribution
or
misunderstanding
,
and
so
learning
to
communicate
,
I
would
argue
,
is
the
most
important
step
to
be
able
to
enter
some
of
the
things
we
talked
about
the
play
and
the
freedom
and
the
hard
conversations
,
and
so
some
of
those
resources
,
hard
conversations
,
and
so
some
of
those
resources
I
mean
there
,
there's
,
there
are
.
There
is
a
difference
between
self-help
books
and
then
,
like
,
more
clinically
driven
guidance
books
.
Um
,
and
I'm
not
opposed
to
self-help
books
.
I
actually
like
try
to
read
a
couple
a
year
,
like
I'm
all
for
those
,
and
that's
a
little
bit
different
.
Those
are
a
little
bit
more
feel
goody
than
like
,
hey
,
here's
a
,
here's
a
plan
or
ways
that
you
can
communicate
,
um
,
so
there's
books
,
there's
podcasts
,
there's
um
blogs
and
you
know
all
kinds
of
reels
,
tiktoks
,
there's
all
kinds
of
things
right
about
,
um
,
the
content
is
there
.
Um
,
I
would
invite
you
to
research
and
look
into
ways
to
communicate
.
Speaker 2
34:20
Obviously
I'm
pro-therapy
and
so
,
whether
that's
EMBR
therapy
to
process
through
a
trauma
or
hurt
,
or
just
the
chronic
pain
and
grief
,
or
couples
therapy
to
work
through
,
how
do
we
talk
about
this
or
how
do
we
improve
our
intimacy
I
think
either
and
Tools for Communication & EMDR Therapy
Speaker 2
34:36
or
both
of
those
are
great
options
.
We
improve
our
intimacy
.
I
think
either
and
or
both
of
those
are
great
options
.
I
don't
you
know
there's
other
types
of
trauma
therapy
that
are
great
too
.
I
don't
know
those
.
You
know
as
well
versed
in
those
as
others
,
as
EMDR
.
But
finding
what
you
need
right
now
and
kind
of
pursuing
that
you're
not
going
to
regret
investing
in
yourself
that's
what
I
tell
people
all
the
time
you
are
worth
the
investment
.
Speaker 1
35:01
Yeah
,
it's
true
,
and
I
do
want
to
say
you
talk
about
EMDR
.
It's
really
hard
to
walk
through
this
process
,
but
it
can
be
worth
it
.
Can
you
just
let
us
know
what
this
is
?
There
might
be
some
people
out
there
that
don't
know
what
EMDR
is
.
Can
you
explain
that
a
little
bit
for
us
?
Speaker 2
35:22
Yeah
,
yeah
,
so
EMDR
is
a
shortened
acronym
for
eye
movement
,
desensitization
and
reprocessing
.
It
is
a
trauma
therapy
technique
that
is
experiential
,
and
so
that's
why
it's
,
in
my
opinion
,
one
of
the
more
effective
ones
.
It's
one
of
the
most
research-backed
and
effective
trauma
therapy
techniques
,
and
so
people
have
been
doing
it
since
the
early
or
late
70s
,
I
believe
,
and
it's
had
a
lot
of
research
done
on
it
.
So
I
like
that
component
.
We're
not
just
out
here
testing
people
.
We're
not
just
out
here
testing
people
like
we're
doing
something
that
we
know
works
.
Speaker 2
36:02
What
EMDR
does
is
it
allows
you
to
reprocess
a
traumatic
or
bad
and
we
use
air
quotes
,
but
bad
experience
or
memory
.
We
cannot
change
the
things
that
have
happened
to
us
,
but
we
can
change
the
way
in
which
our
brain
stores
that
and
the
messages
,
that
which
our
brain
stores
it
,
and
so
we
talked
about
the
negative
beliefs
earlier
.
So
I
had
a
very
bad
interaction
with
a
doctor
when
I
was
16
,
when
my
pain
started
,
and
the
negative
belief
that
I
gathered
from
the
doctor
being
dismissive
or
my
parents
being
dismissive
or
whatever
it
was
was
that
I
don't
matter
or
my
pain
doesn't
matter
,
right
?
We
have
something
along
those
lines
.
What
EMDR
does
is
it
uses
bilateral
stimulation
,
so
stimulation
on
either
side
of
our
body
,
to
basically
open
up
that
memory
and
reprocess
it
,
and
then
we
instill
a
positive
belief
.
So
instead
of
thinking
about
that
memory
at
16
,
we're
still
going
to
go
,
that
hurts
,
that
wasn't
okay
.
But
instead
of
thinking
about
that
memory
and
saying
I
don't
matter
,
we
think
about
it
and
say
,
enough
,
I
know
myself
,
I
am
good
,
like
whatever
positive
belief
that
you
need
in
your
place
.
And
so
we
use
a
set
scale
you
know
the
doctor's
like
frowny
face
to
happy
face
,
like
we
use
something
like
that
to
kind
of
figure
out
how
painful
the
memory
is
,
how
traumatic
it
is
for
you
.
Speaker 2
37:35
And
it
is
fast
.
As
far
as
therapy
go
,
I
wouldn't
say
it's
like
you're
not
in
one
session
,
out
one
session
,
but
it
is
faster
than
some
other
therapy
types
where
we
really
get
to
the
root
of
the
trauma
or
the
memories
that
are
plaguing
you
with
this
,
these
beliefs
that
are
unhelpful
.
Right
,
there's
tons
of
.
That's
just
a
quick
snapshot
.
There's
.
Right
,
there's
tons
of
that's
just
a
quick
snapshot
.
There's
.
There's
tons
of
good
stuff
out
there
on
it
,
but
yeah
,
it's
.
Speaker 1
38:06
I
think
it's
a
an
effective
therapy
for
so
many
people
,
especially
with
chronic
pain
and
chronic
illnesses
,
because
we
tend
to
hold
on
to
our
pain
more
,
and
so
I
think
it
allows
us
the
space
to
walk
through
that
pain
and
feel
that
pain
,
but
have
a
better
relationship
with
that
part
of
it
,
and
so
it's
been
highly
effective
for
a
lot
of
people
.
So
great
tool
to
put
in
your
tool
belt
.
Speaker 2
38:49
And
I
will
say
you
can
do
it
virtually
.
I
do
a
lot
of
indoor
virtually
.
I
know
some
people
are
like
diehard
in-person
therapy
,
people
which
you
know
love
you
all
.
That's
great
.
I
mean
I
love
in-person
too
and
like
it
is
effective
.
Just
as
effective
virtually
too
.
So
if
there's
not
an
EMDR
therapist
near
you
,
like
there's
one
in
your
state
,
I
guarantee
so
you
can
find
people
in
your
state
.
Speaker 1
39:13
Yeah
,
and
speaking
of
that
,
you
have
your
online
platform
as
well
as
you
do
telehealth
or
telecounseling
.
I
guess
you
could
say
yeah
,
Can
you
give
us
a
little
bit
about
that
?
Where
can
we
follow
you
at
?
How
can
we
get
connected
with
you
if
we
feel
like
you
could
be
a
good
fit
for
us
Like
?
Speaker 2
39:36
give
us
the
rundown
,
you
could
be
a
good
fit
for
us
,
like
,
give
us
the
rundown
,
absolutely
so
.
I
am
licensed
in
the
state
of
Texas
right
now
,
so
I
can
only
do
counseling
and
therapy
for
Texas
residents
.
It's
by
each
state
,
but
virtually
or
in
the
DFW
area
is
where
I'm
located
,
I
would
.
I
am
just
launched
my
own
practice
,
actually
quite
recently
,
and
so
the
Brooks
Center
for
Counseling
and
Wellness
.
You
can
find
me
on
at
the
Brooks
Center
and
then
the
brookscentercom
website
,
so
find
me
on
socials
and
all
of
that
.
My
personal
handle
is
just
my
name
at
Mallory
Oxendine
.
I
have
lots
of
stuff
there
and
then
working
on
getting
ready
to
launch
my
own
podcast
with
a
good
friend
of
mine
to
answer
questions
about
some
of
these
hard
things
that
we
don't
talk
about
.
Enough
to
do
some
of
that
.
And
then
I
do
offer
like
coaching
services
and
things
like
that
more
in
the
sex
therapy
realm
,
but
it
wouldn't
be
not
sex
therapy
but
like
intimacy
coaching
for
out
of
state
people
.
So
do
things
like
that
as
well
too
.
Speaker 1
40:44
So
,
yeah
,
you
have
great
content
,
so
I
encourage
anyone
listening
.
Mallory
has
great
content
and
it's
so
intentional
and
that's
why
I
connected
with
her
was
because
the
content
is
so
good
.
So
for
putting
the
content
out
there
and
for
being
available
and
doing
what
you
do
and
helping
so
many
people
around
you
thrive
,
not
just
survive
,
in
this
crazy
world
we
live
in
,
and
especially
for
doing
that
for
patients
with
endometriosis
or
PCOS
or
trauma
,
chronic
illness
it's
hard
to
find
people
that
can
speak
in
this
space
.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
taking
the
time
to
speak
in
this
space
and
to
learn
more
about
those
of
us
who
are
struggling
in
this
space
and
help
us
.
I
appreciate
everything
that
you're
doing
.
Thanks
so
much
,
alana
.
Yeah
,
thanks
for
joining
me
.
It's
been
so
fun
.
Speaker 1
41:47
I
kind
of
don't
want
to
end
,
but
I'm
not
sure
everyone
wants
to
listen
to
six
hours
of
me
talking
.
I
mean
you
maybe
,
but
not
so
much
me
.
We
could
keep
going
,
but
I
just
feel
like
they
might
not
like
that
.
So
it
so
funny
.
Thank
you
for
spending
the
time
with
me
today
.
I
appreciate
it
and
I
can't
wait
till
we
can
do
this
again
sometime
.
Speaker 2
42:06
Yes
,
me
too
Looking
forward
to
it
.
Speaker 1
42:09
Yes
,
Until
next
time
.
Everyone
continue
advocating
for
you
and
for
others
.