Unlocking the Power of a Resilient Mind with Dr. Niva and Rick Macci

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Join us for a transformative conversation with the inspiring Dr. Niva Jerath and legendary tennis coach Rick Macci as we dive into the power of perspective, resilience, and gratitude. In this compelling episode, we explore their collaboration on the book “Billion Dollar Mind,” where they share actionable insights for reprogramming your internal dialogue to overcome challenges, cultivate joy, and build mental toughness for both everyday life and extraordinary achievements.

Discover practical techniques to foster positivity, even when facing chronic illness, unexpected setbacks, or demanding life circumstances. Through heartfelt stories, Dr. Niva and Rick Macci reveal how shifting your mindset and focusing on gratitude can unlock personal growth, deepen relationships, and build community.

In the final segments, hear Rick’s reflections on navigating injury and adversity with gratitude and how self-care is essential for both caregivers and individuals striving for balance. “Billion Dollar Mind” is your ultimate guide to embracing small victories, finding purpose, and unlocking the mental resilience needed for a fulfilling life.

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Unlocking Mental Strength Through Resilience

Alanna
0:02

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to

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so

you

never

have

to

face

this

journey

alone
.

We

embrace

a

range

of

perspectives

that

may

not

always

align

with

our

own
.

Believing

that

open

dialogue

helps

us

grow

and

gain

new

tools

always

align

with

our

own
.

Believing

that

open

dialogue

helps

us

grow

and

gain

new

tools
.

Join

me

as

I

share

stories

of

strength
,

resilience

and

hope
,

from

personal

experiences

to

expert

insights
.

I'm

your

host
,

alana
,

and

this

is

EndoBattery

charging

our

lives

when

endometriosis

drains

us
.

Welcome

back

to

EndoBattery
.

Grab

your

cup

of

coffee

or

your

cup

of

tea

and

join

me

at

the

table
.

Today
.

I'm

absolutely

thrilled

to

be

joined

at

the

table

by

two

extraordinary

guests

whose

expertise

and

passion

are

sure

to

leave

you

inspired
.

Alanna
0:55

First

we

have

Dr

Navita

Jareth
,

better

known

as

Dr

Niva
,

an

unstoppable

force

in

neuromuscular

medicine
.

With

training

from

Harvard
,

the

Mayo

Clinic

and

the

University

of

Iowa
,

dr

Niva

has

dedicated

her

career

to

solving

some

of

the

most

challenging

neuromuscular

cases
.

She

leads

nationally

recognized

programs
,

driving

groundbreaking

research

in

muscular

dystrophy

and

clinic

trials
,

and

champions

her

patients'

resilience

and

achievements
.

Fun

fact
,

she's

also

a

former

junior

tennis

champion

who

trained

with

today's

second

guest
,

the

legendary

Rick

Macci
.

Rick

Macci

is

a

name

synonymous

with

greatness

in

tennis
.

As

the

coach

behind

some

of

the

sport's

biggest

stars
,

like

Venus

and

Serena

Williams
,

maria

Shapova

and

Andy

Roddick
,

rick

is

known

for

his

unique

ability

to

transform

not

just

players'

games

but

also

their

mindset
.

As

seven-time

USPTA

Coach

of

the

Year

in

Hall

of

Fame

inductee
,

rick

has

been

a

lifelong

advocate

for

using

mental

fitness

to

elevate

physical

performance
.

Alanna
1:56

But

here's

where

it

gets

exciting
.

Dr

Niva

and

Rick

have

teamed

up

to

co-author

a

powerful

book
,

Billion

Dollar

Mind
,

where

they

combine

their

expertise

in

neurology

and

coaching

to

explore

the

secrets

of

mental

strength
,

resilience

and

achieving

your

full

potential
.

Together
,

they've

created

a

guide

to

unlocking

the

mindset

that

leads

to

success
,

whether

it's

on

the

tennis

court
,

in

the

clinic

or

in

everyday

life
.

So

grab

that

cup

of

coffee

or

tea

and

join

me

at

the

table

as

we

get

ready

to

hear

from

two

extraordinary

individuals

about

resilience
,

mindset

and

how

to

level

up

in

every

area

of

your

life
.

Alanna
2:33

Please

help

me

in

welcoming

Dr

Niva

Jareth

and

Rick

Macci
.

Thank

you

both

for

joining

me

today
.

I'm

excited

to

have

this

conversation
.

It's

kind

of

a

unique

conversation

than

what

I've

had

in

the

past

and

so

I'm

excited

to

kind

of

shift

our

mindset
,

if

you

will
,

into

this

new

topic

of

mindset

and

discipline

and

thinking

outside

the

box
,

into

positivity

and

how

that

can

help

us

grow

within

our

own

journey
.

So

thank

you

both

so

much

for

taking

the

time

to

sit

down

with

me

and

talk

about

this
.

Rick Macci
3:07

Thanks

for

having

me
.

Thank

you

for

having

me
.

Alanna
3:09

Yes
,

tell

us

just

a

little

bit

about

your

book

and

your

journeys

to

get

to

that

place
.

In

writing

the

book
.

Rick Macci
3:18

I'll

let

Nev

go

first
.

Go

ahead
.

Dr. Niva
3:20

I

think

smoke

is

really

important
.

It's

a

fundamental

tool

for

improving

our

mindset

and

having

a

control

over

our

mind
.

And

what

I

realized

was

that

one

day

I

realized

I

could

be

happy

in

one

moment

and

the

next

moment

I

could

be

sad
,

and

the

next

moment

I

could

be

afraid
.

And

it

was

all

generated

by

me
.

I

found

out

because

I

was

having

a

rough

day

one

time

and

so

I

was

biking

and

I

was

doing

this

long

10-mile

bike

ride

up

and

down

hills

and

I

just

kept

thinking

of

the

same

thoughts

of

the

past
.

I

said

how

can

I

get

rid

of

these

thoughts
?

They

just

make

me

so

sad
.

And

then
,

all

of

a

sudden
,

I

met

a

couple

and

started

talking

to

them
.

And

then

we

ran

to

look

in

the

pond

and

there

was

a

turtle

floating
.

I

was

like
,

oh

gosh
,

these

moments

are

so

precious

and

made

me

so

happy
.

It

was

full

of

joy
.

Dr. Niva
4:08

I

was

like

living

in

the

present

moment

and

my

thoughts

were

so

distracted

by

the

present

and

I

realized
,

gosh
,

why

our

thoughts

are

so

fricking
.

Like

we're

going

from

bike

riding

nine

miles

a

night

just

thinking

about

the

past

and

the

sadness
,

and

all

of

a

sudden
,

just

getting

distracted

changed

the

way

I

felt
.

I

said
,

wow
,

there's

so

much

power

within

us
.

And

how

do

I

conquer

that
?

How

do

I

decipher

that
?

How

do

I

decode

it
?

We

know

how

to

decode

computers

right

Computer

programming
.

How

do

we

computer

programming
?

How

do

we

reprogram

our

minds

so

they're

our

friends
?

How

do

we

make

our

thoughts

our

best

friends
?

How

do

we

think

the

right

way

so

they're

always

happy

and

full

of

joy
?

Rather

than

you

know
,

having

some

external

experience

dictate

that
,

or

a

sudden
,

you

know

change

and

somebody

says

something

or

a

little

thing
,

or

you

know
.

So

how

do

we

generate

that

from

within
?

And

that's

what

the

book

is

fundamentally

about
.

It's

the

secrets

on

how

to

control

our

mind

and

our

thoughts
.

Alanna
5:05

Rick
,

how

is

this

for

you
?

Rick Macci
5:08

Okay
,

now

Nib

is

down

the

road

a

little

bit
,

but

I'm

going

to

back

the

truck

up
.

Okay
,

I

got

to

go

back

and

let

all

the

people

listening

I

actually

taught

her

and

her

twin

sister

back

in

the

day
,

okay
,

when

they

were

she

was

16

years

old
,

number

one

player

in

the

South
.

She

was

a

great

tennis

player
,

made

the

right

decision
,

went

to

Harvard

one

of

the

best

doctors

in

the

world
.

So

I

think

she

made

the

right

decision
.

But

you

know
,

her

kids

came

to

the

academy

a

little

bit
,

always

kind

of

stayed

in

touch
.

And

one

day

she

asked

me

about

doing

a

book

about

mental

strength

and

this

is

right

up

my

wheelhouse
.

Rick Macci
5:46

I'm

probably

more

a

life

coach

as

much

as

a

tennis

coach
.

You

know
,

people

know

me

with

Venus
,

serena

Capriotti
,

roddick
,

sharapova
,

moschino
,

pierce

Kennan

all

these

people

that

won

Grand

Slams

or

have

been

number

one
.

But

I

deal

more

with

the

well
,

not

more

as

much

with

the

mental

part
.

Okay
,

and

how

to

flip

the

script
.

Take

a

negative

turn

a

positive
,

because

in

the

game

of

tennis

you

got

20

seconds

to

flip

it

in

your

mind
,

like

it

happened

20

years

ago
.

They

have

approached

me

about

this

and

the

medical

point

of

view
.

Ok
,

the

science

point

of

view
,

and

then

me

being

in

the

trenches

and

doing

this

my

whole

life
.

It

was

a

match

made

in

heaven
.

Rick Macci
6:33

And

now

that

we've

done

the

book
,

not

only

has

it

become

a

bestseller
.

If

people

come

back

and

say

it

changed

my

life

OK
,

and

I

don't

change

strokes
,

I

changed

slides

on

the

tennis

court
.

So

to

me

I

don't

want

to

say

it

kind

of

validated

everything

I've

done

through

my

whole

career
,

but

it's

been

so

fulfilling

simply

because

the

wild

card

is

this

right

here

tennis

and

the

game

of

life
.

It's

a

game

of

inches

from

one

ear

to

another

and

it's

about

perspective

and

how

you

look

at

it
.

So

when

we

teamed

up

to

do

the

book
,

it

was

really

a

powerhouse

combination
,

a

dynamic

duo
,

because

she's

dealing

it

from

the

doctor

point

of

view

and

I'm

dealing

it

from

you

know

made

a

lot

of

champions
.

Besides
,

changed

a

lot

of

people's

lives
.

So

there's

so

many

gold

nuggets

in

the

book
.

It's

one

of

the

best

things

I've

ever

done

in

my

life
.

Alanna
7:24

That's

such

a

great

way

to

put

it
.

Mastering Resilience Through Perspective

Alanna
7:27

There's

one

word

you

said

in

there

that

I

live

by
.

This

is

the

word

that

is

my
.

I

feel

like

we

have
.

You

know
,

we

make

New

Year's

resolutions

or

we

have

a

word

of

the

year

that

we're

going

to

practice

right
,

my

life

word
.

I

have

one

word

in

life

that

I

live

by
,

and

that

word

is

perspective
,

because

perspective
.

Rick Macci
7:46

I

knew

you

were

going

to

say

that
.

I

knew

you

were

going

to

say

that

you

know

what

and

when

you

do

that
,

you

look

at

the

world

through

a

different

lens
.

You

do

Go

ahead
.

Alanna
7:53

Yeah
.

So

perspective

to

me

is

if

you

walk

circumspect
,

right
,

broadly
,

look

around
,

you

see

things

differently
.

If

you

are

looking

very

narrow
,

you're

missing

out

on

a

lot

of

the

pieces

that

are

going

to

help

you

pave

this

road

forward
.

And

so

I'm

a

big

believer

in
,

no

matter

where

our

journey

takes

us
,

if

we

walk

circumspect
,

with

perspective
,

we

have

a

greater

understanding

of

ourselves
,

of

our

environment
,

of

our

purpose

and

of

our

future
,

of

where

we

want

to

go
.

It's

easier

to

work

through

the

challenges

of

life

with

perspective
,

and

I

also

think

it

helps

with

connection
,

and

as

humans
,

we

need

connection

to

feel

validated
.

Like

you

said
,

we

need

connection

to

be

able

to

feel

seen
,

heard
,

feel

like

we're

part

of

something
.

And

if

you

walk

introspective
,

you

don't

have

and

don't

have

the

perspective

of

others

in

your

circle
.

You're

missing

out

on

that

fullness

of

community
.

And

that's

why

perspective

to

me
,

when

you

said

that

is

a

big

key

to

my

life
,

that

is

my

life

word
,

because

I

want

to

walk

with

perspective
.

Dr. Niva
9:11

I

was

going

to

ask

Rick

that

I

think

it

was

a

dream

come

true

that

he

said

yes

Because

I

had

come

to

appreciate

him

for

an

award

for

women

in

leadership

and

I

come

down
.

I

never

even

expected

he

would

say

yes

for

the

award

for
,

like

women

in

leadership

and

I

come

down
.

I

never

even

expected

he

would

say

yes

for

the

award
.

He

took

a

picture

and

and

then
,

just

underneath

my

breath
,

I

was

like

no
,

I

got

an

idea

for

a

book
.

He

has

motivational

sayings

all

over

his

academy

and

I

was

always

motivated

and

encouraged

by

them
.

Every

time

I

would

come

there

and

change

my

the

way

of

thinking
,

like

he

said
,

the

perspective
,

and

it

was
,

like

you

know
,

just

this

sort

of

think

big
,

be

big
.

It

just

made

me

feel

so
,

so

encouraged
,

like

I

gotta
,

I

gotta

be

better

than

what

I

am
.

And

so

I

thought

I

was

like

okay
,

you

know
,

I

have

an

idea

about

a

book
,

I'm

just

whispering

it

and

I

was

impressed
.

I

couldn't

even

imagine

that

after

I

told

him

about

the

book

idea
.

Dr. Niva
10:04

But

two
,

two

weeks

later
,

it

was

like

yesterday
.

It

was

like

in

the

middle

of

this

busy

clinic

with

patients
,

I

was

seeing

like

two

patients
.

I

was

like

so

exhausted

I

was

going

home

and

I

get

a

text

message

Where's

the

book
.

I

was

like

let's

go
.

That's

cool
,

that's

cool
.

I

was

like

this

is

a

dream

come

true
.

No

one

has

ever

really

committed

to

something

like

working

as

hard
.

You

got

book

ideas

that

take

a

lot

of

time
.

It's

a

lot

of

work

and

I

just

ran

home

that

day

and

started

writing
.

But

I

remember

that

positivity

and

recognizing

it

was

like

everything

went

exponential
.

It

was

like

on

fire
.

We

were

just

great
.

I

mean

just

together
.

It

was

just

he

was

positive
.

I

loved

his

positivity
.

It

was

like

on

fire
.

We

were

just

great
.

I

mean

just

together
.

It

was

just

he

was

positive
.

I

loved

his

positivity
.

It

fed

into

my

positivity

and

that's

how

the

book

came

out
.

Rick Macci
10:49

So

really

great
,

let's

get

a

perspective
.

You

know

this

has

to

be

right

in

my

wheelhouse

and

the

leader

in

a

clubhouse
,

because

I

always

tell

people

what

you

may

see

is

different

than

Rick

may

see
,

right
,

this
,

what

you

may

see
,

is

different

than

Rick

may

see
,

right
,

this

is
.

It's

a

whole

different

way

of

looking

at

it
.

It

almost

is

what

it

isn't
.

You

got

to

be

able

to

flip

it

how

you

respond

to

things
,

and

it's

not

even

about

tennis
.

What

I

do
,

it's

everything

Right
.

And

once

you

get

on

that

hamster

wheel

and

you

train

your

brain

to

react

certain

ways
,

the

way

you

handle

things
,

I

mean

it's

better

for

your

health
.

The

ripple

effect

or

the

cascading

effect

is

even

more

powerful

than

the

actual

moment
.

But

people

let

things

control

them

instead

of

you

controlling

the

situation

brick

by

brick
.

And

you

can

relate
,

because

when

you

said

perspective
,

okay
,

this

podcast

is

now

the

leader

of

Clubhouse

because

we're

on

the

same

wavelength

and

it

all

starts

with

mindset
.

Yeah
,

perspective

is

what

it's

all

about
.

Alanna
11:53

Yes
,

I

want

to

break

down

just

a

little

bit

of

what

you

were

talking

about

just

the

mindset

and

the

way

that

we

kind

of

control

that
,

and

I

want

to

break

down

just

a

couple

of

the

things

that

you

said

and

we'll

kind

of

expand

this

a

little

bit
.

And

you

have

talked

about

this

in

the

book
.

But

specifically
,

how

can

mental

resilience

techniques

that

you

talk

about

in

the

book

help

individuals

dealing

with

chronic

illness
?

Because

I

mean
,

I

think

this

is

a

really

hard

thing

for

those

that

are

walking

through

life

challenges

that

are

really

almost

out

of

their

control
.

But

there's

got

to

be

some

techniques

and

you've

written

about

these

that

can

help

kind

of

navigate

that
.

Dr. Niva
12:33

Absolutely
.

I

love

that

question

because

I

do

that

every

day

in

the

clinic
,

yeah
,

and

I

can

give

you

two

examples
.

For

one

thing
,

and

my

patients

are

all

struggling

with

chronic

pain

and

chronic

illness
.

And

the

most

important

technique

I

think

we're

talking

about

perspective

and

reframing
,

but

one

of

the

main

things

is

gratitude
.

As

soon

as

we

fill

up

our

parts

of

gratitude
,

we

see

things

so

differently
.

And

I

can

give

an

example

I'll

never

forget
.

Dr. Niva
12:57

I

was

a

medical

student

at

Mayo

Clinic

and

all

the

kids

were

complaining

that

they

had

to

work

so

hard

that

they

don't

get

any

sleep
,

they

have

to

study

and

they

don't

have

a

life
.

And

I'll

never

forget
.

Our

dean

told

us

she

said

go

and

she

said

today's

exercise

all

you

guys

are

complaining
.

She

was

at

the

auditorium
.

The

friars

were

like

all

of

you

are

complaining
.

I

want

you

all

to

go

to

the

lobby

of

the

Mayo

Clinic

in

Rochester
,

minnesota
,

and

just

sit

there

for

20

minutes

and

watch
.

Okay
,

now
,

we

all

sat

there
.

I

remember

watching
.

There's

a

beautiful

chandelier
,

beautiful

forest
.

Dr. Niva
13:33

There

you

see

the

sickest

kids

that

have

maybe

three

or

four

months

left

to

live
.

You

see

a

kid

having

a

seizure
.

You're

seeing

another

person

with

a

leg

cut

off
,

another

one

with

their

arm

cut

off
,

and

then

you

see

someone
,

like

you

know
,

with

dementia

and

their

family

members

pushing

them
,

and

someone

with

a

brain

tumor
,

and

all

of

a

sudden

there's

no

more

complaining
.

Yeah
,

because

you're
,

like
,

appreciative

of

what

you

have
.

So

it

doesn't

mean

that

you

minimize

what

you're

having
.

I

mean
,

everybody

has

troubles

and

pains
,

but

it's

a

combination

of

gratitude

and

perspective

and

recognizing

that

if

we're

grateful

for

what

we

have
,

then

all

of

a

sudden

everything

else

is

not

as
.

It's

a

way
,

it's

a

technique

to

get

out

of

the

pain
,

maybe

to

improve

it
,

and

it's

a

feel
,

the

situation

in

a

different

way
.

And

that's

what

you're

talking

about

perspective
.

It

really

means

a

lot
.

Dr. Niva
14:23

The

second

aspect

I

remember

there's

another

story

I

had

was

when

I

was

in

the

clinic

last

week

when

a

patient

came

in

and

her

daughter

got

shot

by

mistake

at

35
,

you

know
,

incidental

homicide
,

and

she

loved

her

daughter
,

but

she

had

read

our

book

and

she

was

in

such

good

spirits
.

And

the

reason

why
?

Because

she

was

again

so

grateful

for

the

memories

she

had
.

She

said

at

least
,

my

daughter

is

35

years

old

and

I

got

to

live

with

her

for

35

years

and

I

got

to

have

beautiful

memories

with

her

and

she

didn't

think

about

the

homicide
.

She

thought

more

of

the

positive

memories

and

all

the

trips

she

went

with

her

daughter

and

she

just

really

was

full

of

gratitude

and

appreciation
.

Dr. Niva
14:59

And

Joyce

said

I'm

just

so

full

of

positivity

today

and

thank

you

so

much
,

this

book

changed

my

mind
.

I

wish

that

I'm

just

so

full

of

positivity

today

and

thank

you

so

much
.

This

book

changed

my

mind
.

So

it's

those

moments

that

really

make

a

big

difference
.

She

was

able

to

reprogram

her

mind

and

make

it

positive

and

thank

you

with

gratitude

and

kind

of

reframe

the

situation
.

So

it

worked

for

her

benefit
.

That's

why

like

our

mind

is

like

our

best

friend
.

Alanna
15:19

Yeah
,

absolutely

it

is
.

Can

you

explain

you

were

talking

about

just

going

through

that

and

changing

that

mindset

and

working

with

your

patients

on

this
,

but

can

you

explain

the

connection

between

the

neurological

and

mental

strength

and

managing

things

like

chronic

fatigue

or

the

unexplained

that

we

have

no

control

over
?

Yeah
,

the

correlation

between

those

two
.

Dr. Niva
15:43

I

think

about

the

mental

strength
,

mental

strength

to

manage

those

chronic

situations
.

There's

a

lot

of

technique
,

so

that's

a

big

topic
.

But

if

you

think

about

in

a

big

picture

point

of

view
,

right
,

when

someone's

tired

there's

obviously

maybe

a

biological

component

to

it
.

Some

people

might

have

anemia

or

whatever
,

you

know
,

they

might

be

out

sleeping

at

night
.

But

if

there's

an

additional

mental

piece

to

that
,

that

mental

piece

can

make

the

fatigue

worse
.

And

so

that's

why

we

kind

of

what

Rick

said

is

we're

going

to

feed

our

mind

positivity
,

kind

of

like

it's

its

own

medicine
.

Perspective and Positivity in Action

Dr. Niva
16:17

So

think

of

the

neurologic

system
,

it's

sensory

input

and

motor

output
,

right
.

So

whenever

we

have

sensory

input
,

we

have

like

good

thoughts
,

we

have
,

um
,

we

hear

good

things
,

we

see

good

things

that

are

positive
.

Our

motor

output

will

be

positive
.

And

that's

what

my

kid

she's

like
.

Oh
,

she's

like

what
?

What

does

positive

thinking

do
?

I

said
,

look
,

positive

thinking

creates

positive

action
.

So

I

know

that

if

people

are

struggling

with

fatigue
,

there

is

definitely

that

or

their

chronic

pain
,

but

if

they

have

those

positive

thoughts

feeding

in
,

that's

like

a

medicine
.

You

know

that's

going

to

give

them

some

positive

action
,

even

if

it's

not

like

they're

running

up
,

you

know

a

marathon

or

whatever
.

But

even

if

it's

a

small

thing
,

it's

that

sensory

input
,

it's

that

motor

output
.

Yeah
.

Rick Macci
16:59

Let

me

chime

in

here

because

I'm

backing

the

truck

up

once

again
.

You

know

we

go

back

to

perspective

Number

one
.

Everybody

listening
.

You

got

to

reframe

it
.

Number

one
,

you

should

always

appreciate

what

you

have

instead

of

what

you

don't

have
.

That's

the

starting

point
.

Thank

God
,

it's

every

day
,

don't

thank

God
,

it's

Friday
.

You

know

what

I

mean
.

Everybody

has

it

wrong
.

Because

then

what

happens

when

that's

a

starting

point
?

Rick Macci
17:28

Like

Nip

said
,

she's

at

the

Mayo

Clinic

and

you're

seeing

people
,

you

know
,

because
,

let's

face

it
,

tragedy

and

death

makes

people

take

a

deep

breath

and

they

change

everything

and

they

appreciate

a

little

bit
.

More

than

a

couple

of

weeks

go

by

and

they're

back

to

the

same

old

negativity

and

they

let

things

control

them
.

And

you've

got

to

get

into

this

routine

about

what

I

just

said
,

because

when

you're

in

a

routine
,

mentally

you

become

a

machine
.

You're

training

yourself

how

you're

going

to

look

at

it
.

Unfortunately
,

some

people

like

to

complain

and

they

like

problems

and

they

like

gossip

and

they

like

that

and

they

might

not

ever

want

to

change
,

you

know
.

So

that's

a

whole

different

thing
,

but

everybody

has

a

choice
.

Okay
,

and

positivity

is

the

leader

in

a

clubhouse
.

How

it

affects

your

nervous

system
.

Listen

when

people

lose

a

point

in

tennis
,

I

have

the

kids

smile
.

Okay
,

because

that's

not

what

you

want

to

do
.

You

know

you're

going

to

be

frustrated

and

this

is

the

same

thing
.

We

can

look

at

the

same

thing
,

all

three

of

us
.

We

might

see

something

very

different
,

but

we're

looking

at

the

same

thing
.

It's

how

we're

going

to

respond

to

it

mentally
.

No

one's

bulletproof
,

I'm

not

saying

whatever
.

We

can't

be

like

that

but

you

need

to

take

a

deep

breath
.

People

always

tell

you

count

to

10
,

count

to

100
,

whatever

it

might

be
.

Well
,

you

got

to

train

yourself

to

do

this
.

Rick Macci
18:49

It's

like

Niv

said

everybody's

aware

kind

of

what

they

put

in

their

mouth
,

but

they're

not

aware

what

they

put

into

their

brain
.

You

got

to

listen

to

motivational

speakers
.

You

got

to

motivate

yourself
.

Your

best

friend

is

the

mirror
.

You

should

be

talking

to

yourself

every

day
.

I

don't

know

if

you

want

to

have

people

around

when

you're

talking

to

yourself
,

but

this

is

very

important
.

Rick Macci
19:14

But

people

all

have

it

backwards
.

They

let

what

they

say

on

TV

affect

them
.

Everything

affects

us
.

You

control

the

situation
,

don't

let

it

control

you
.

It's

perspective
,

but

the

starting

point

is

appreciation
.

Like

Niv

said
,

gratitude
.

It's

perspective
,

but

the

starting

point

is

appreciation
,

like

Niv

said
,

gratitude
,

appreciate

what

you

have
.

Rick Macci
19:29

Yeah
,

because

if

everybody
,

everybody

would

say
,

well
,

if

I

could

do

that

over

again
,

or

if

I

could

go

back

in

time
,

or

what

the

heck

was

I

thinking

back

then
?

Or

what
?

Everybody

does

it

because

we're

human
.

No

one's

you

got

to

look

at

problems

as

an

opportunity
.

When

you

know

you're

going

to

have

problems
,

right
,

okay
,

don't

be

just

happy

on

your

birthday

or

Christmas
,

whatever

it's
.

No
,

you

can't

look

at

it

like

that
.

You

might

be

happier
,

right
,

other

people

are

affected
.

Rick Macci
19:55

This

is

very

important
,

but

people

don't

have

discipline
,

people

don't

want

to

change
.

You

know

and

I'm

kind

of

that

way
,

I'm

a

really

a

creature

of

habit
,

but

in

a

very

positive

way

the

way

I've

trained

my

mind

over

my

career

and

I

helped

so

many

others
,

okay
,

you

have

no

idea
,

and

that's

that's

what

they

need

to

hear
,

to

uplift
.

And

even

Niv

said

something

earlier

about

all

the

motivational

signs

around

the

academy
.

There's

like

a

hundred
.

One

word

can

change

a

child's

life

Absolutely
,

or

an

adult

or

adult
.

And

when

people

forget

the

ones

that

have

become

number

one

or

people

that

become

great
.

You

know

they're

wired

different
.

Everybody

can

run

and

jump

and

learn

the

biomechanics

of

how

to

hit

the

ball
,

but

how

they

look

at

it
.

That

separates

great

from

good
,

especially

in

sports
.

Yeah
.

Rick Macci
20:46

Okay
,

because

everybody

has

certain

genetics

and

all

that

stuff
.

So

at

the

end

of

the

day
,

it

all

starts

with

appreciating

what

you

have
,

and

you

got

to

tell

yourself

that

every

day
,

not

what

you

don't

have
.

Right
,

you

know
.

Right
,

and

this

is

key

for

anybody

listening
.

Okay
,

because

it's

a

matter

of

just

training

your

mind
.

So

if

you

want

to

be

better

about

what

we're

talking

about
,

be

aware

of

what

goes

in

here
,

not

just

what

goes

in

your

mouth
.

Listen
,

that

will

ripple

on

to

your

kids
,

to

your

friends
,

your

work
.

You'll

be

more

productive
.

You'll

just

look

at

things

so

much

different
.

You

know

so

much

different
.

Rick Macci
21:21

You

can't

like
,

just

because

it's

80

and

sunny

and

a

nice

breeze
,

it's

going

to

be

a

great

day
.

Some

people

get

up

and

they

say

it's

going

to

be

a

bad

day
.

I

don't

want

to

be

around

those

people
.

I

don't

know

what

they're
.

You

know

what

I'm

saying
.

Yeah
,

discipline
.

You

know

to

be

a

champion

in

anything
.

You

got

to

have

tremendous

discipline

because

you

got

all

these

forces

around

us

pulling

us

the

other

direction

Negative

people
,

the

TV
,

social

media

it's

like

it's

all

that
.

People

would

rather

see

the

train

wreck

sometimes

than

something

else
.

You

know
,

and

you

got

to

be

around

that

type

of

environment

type

of

environment
.

Yeah
,

that's

really

important
,

especially

for

parents

and

that

have

kids
.

You

got

to

really

be

careful

that
.

So

that's

my

sermon

on

a

Friday

afternoon

about

that
.

Alanna
22:12

No
,

it

is

good
.

Embracing Positivity Through Self-Reflection

Alanna
22:13

Sometimes

we

have

to

remind

ourselves

that

what

we

put

in

is

what

we

put

out
.

You

know
,

like
,

what

goes

in

comes

out

at

some

point

or

another
,

and

if

you

allow

the

negative

to

consume

you
,

that's

what

you

will

permeate

the

room

with

right
.

It's

important

to

remember

that

because

we

have

a

chronic

illness

for

a

lot

of

us
,

or

because

life

doesn't

always

happen

the

way

we

think

it's

going

to

happen
,

or

it

doesn't

pan

out

the

way

we

wish

it

would

have
,

doesn't

mean

that

it

defines

our

complete

life

and

that

we

have

the

ability

to

redirect

a

lot

of

that

based

off

of

what

we

can

control
.

And

no

one

else

can

control

our

mental

mindset

but

ourselves
.

Alanna
22:56

And

this

is

something

I

tell

my

kids

all

the

time
.

You

know
,

I

have

a

six-year-old

and

she

tells

me

today

is

just

not

going

to

be

a

good

day
,

and

I

was

like

excuse

me
,

because

you

didn't

get

what

you

wanted
,

you

know
.

And

I

say

no
,

it's

going

to

be

a

great

day
,

with

maybe

some

hard

moments
.

And

she

was

like

no
,

I'm

like

yes
,

because

we

all

have

hard

moments
,

and

I

think

that's

true

in

our

lives

as

well
,

and

why

I

like

that

mindset

is

because

our

lives

don't

have

to

be

bad
,

our

dailies

don't

have

to

be

bad
,

but

maybe

we

have

some

hard

moments

and

maybe

we

have

some

hard

and

challenging

times
,

but

it's

how

we

allow

ourselves

to

come

out

of

that

space

and

into

one

that's

healthy

and

thriving

and

is

allowing

us

to

have

a

better

quality

of

life
.

That's

what's

important
,

too
,

right
,

but

how

do

you

adapt

your

methods

to

creating

mental

health

routines

that

fit

the

unpredictable

nature

of

things

like

chronic

illness

and

life
?

Dr. Niva
24:05

I

can

chime

in

on

that

because

while

Rick

was

talking
,

I

was

like

well
,

you

just

mentioned

smile
.

Yeah
,

smile

is

free
.

It's

free
.

We

don't

have

to

go

to

the

pharmacy

to

get

it
.

We

don't

have

to

get

it

prescribed

by

anyone
.

We

don't

have

to

do

anything

to

get

it
.

It's

within

us
.

That's

what

this

whole

book

is

about
.

Dr. Niva
24:22

All

these

techniques

are

free

and

the

same

thing

occurs
.

You

have

to

deal

with

struggling

situations
,

like

if

someone

loses

a

point

in

tennis
,

they're

smiling
.

Same

thing

if

there's

a

bad

day

or

there's

a

difficult

situation
,

I

tend

to

smile
.

In

the

morning
,

you

can

get

up

and

smile

and

say

10

positive

things

about

yourself

and

get

into

that

routine

so

the

unpredictability

is

not

there

and

get

into

that

routine

so

the

unpredictability

is

not
.

There's

no

excuse
,

because

all

that

stuff

is

within

us
.

You

just

you

can't

enter

the

habit
.

It's

requires

discipline
.

My

first

set

you'll

have

to

train

your

mind

to

be

able

to

make

it

your

best

friend

and

to

be

able

to

come

up

with

techniques

that

are

just

within

you
,

right
,

saying

positive

things

to

yourself
,

loving

yourself
,

smiling
,

having

a

little

bit

of

humor
,

appreciating

others

and

also

the

things

that

you

can

do
,

and

having

a

good
,

just

our

own

mental

toolbox

and

we

all

realize

how

free

it

yeah

absolutely
.

Alanna
25:15

It

sounds

easy
,

right
,

but

then

we

also

are

human

and

it

is

a

struggle
.

When

life

is

is

hard
,

it

that

is

hard

sometimes

to

find

our

smile

and

I

think

that's

why

and

maybe

you

can

even

speak

on

this

why

community

matters

so

much

and

surrounding

yourself

with

people

that

can

support

you

and

be

that

smile

when

you're

having

a

hard

time
,

or

be

that

encouragement

when

you

don't

have

the

words

to

encourage
.

Remind

you
.

Dr. Niva
25:45

You

know
,

that's

the

thing
.

The

words

to

encourage
,

remind

you
,

that's

the

thing
.

You

have

to

have

people

that

remind

you
,

like

what

reminds

me
,

you

know
,

like

this

is

all

within

you
.

Like
,

look

in

the

mirror
,

it's

got
.

You

know

they

can

have

the

smile
,

but

you

also

have

to

have

it

too
.

So

it's

just

your

reminder

to

have

these

people

around

you

that

are

going

to

be

like

sometimes

they're

like

coaches

or

friends

or

colleagues
.

Have

these

people

around

you

that

are

going

to

be

like

sometimes

they're

like

coaches

or

friends

or

colleagues
,

but

you

have

to

remind

yourself

that

it's

you

versus

you
,

and

if

you

don't

recognize

it
,

you're

never

going

to

change
.

You're

going

to

go

to

the

same

friend

who

you're

going

to

start

becoming

dependent

on
.

They're

going

to

make

you

happy
.

She

realizes

within

you

and

all

of

those

powers

that

you

have
.

Overcoming Chronic Illness Through Perspective

Dr. Niva
26:22

That's

why

I

love

this

book
.

It's

being

able

to

conquer

your

own

walls
.

Alanna
26:26

Yeah
,

something

you

said

that

struck

a

chord

with

me

is

you

have

to

learn

to

love

yourself
.

This

is

something

that

is

really

hard

for

many

to

do
.

When

they're

mad

at

their

bodies
,

they

struggle

achieving

certain

goals

because

of

physical

limitations
,

and

so

it's

that

anger

and

that

grief

which

is

valid

when

you're

going

through

those

things
.

That's

a

valid

thing

to

walk

through

when

your

body
,

when

you're

in

pain

and

it's

hard

to

love

yourself

and

it's

hard

to

love

your

body
.

How

do

we

climb

out

of

that

mentality
?

Because

I'm

sure
,

rick
,

you've

experienced

this

with

athletes

who

are

upset

that

they

can't

reach

a

certain

goal
,

or

they're

struggling

to

reach

a

certain

goal
,

or

maybe

an

injury

that

happens

and

they're

frustrated
.

I

feel

this

Okay
,

I'm

just

speaking

for

myself
,

as

someone

who

gets

hurt

a

lot
.

It's

frustrating

and

you

can

be

angry
.

And

how

to

not

live

in

that

anger

but

reframe

that

mindset
.

How

do

you

do

that
,

and

how

do

you

do

that

as

a

coach
,

and

how

do

you

do

that

with

the

science

backing

it
?

Rick Macci
27:33

Well
,

first

off
,

I

love

this

question

because
,

as

I

sit

here

today
,

back

in

May

I

tore

a

tendon

in

my

plantar

plate

in

the

right

foot
.

Ok
,

I

got

an

MRI
.

Ok
,

I

tore

the

tendon
,

there

was

capsulitis

underneath
,

it

was

swollen

and

so

kind

of

had

to

go

into

a

boot
.

And

the

guy

said

OK
,

the

best

thing

is
,

you

can't

stand

for

at

least

two

months
,

and

I

teach

50

hours

a

week

on

a

tennis

court

and

I've

been

standing

out

in

the

sun

since

age

22
.

I'm

like

a

lizard
,

I've

been

out

there

for

so

long
,

you

know
.

And

so

when

he

said

you

can't

stand

for

two

months
,

I

kind

of

said

I

can't

stand
,

you

you

know
.

So

here
,

but

can't

stand
.

You
,

you

know

I'm

going
,

what

so

here
?

But

here's

the

problem
,

and

Nip

has

helped

me

a

lot

with

this

too
,

with

the

food

and

all

this

stuff
.

And

here

we

are

and

I

still

have

the

problem

because

I

probably

didn't

listen

the

way

that

I

should

have
.

I

know

other

people

would

have
,

but

I

didn't
.

I

just

wanted

to

keep

going
.

But

to

answer

the

question
,

okay
,

other

than

a

boot
,

I

never

even

told

anybody
.

If

they

have

a

boot

on
,

they're

going

to

notice

and

I

tell

them
,

but

I

never

talk

about

it
.

I

don't

complain

about

it
.

I

actually

try

harder

to

do

more

in

other

areas
.

Okay
,

cause

it's

me

against

Mr

Planter
.

Rick Macci
29:05

Plate

tear
,

that's

the

way

I've

framed

up

my

mind

and

I

also

look

at

it

like

it

could

be

worse
.

You

know
.

You

know

it

could

be

worse
,

especially

as

you

get

older
.

So

the

fact

that

I

have

a

tendon

tear

does

it

still

hurt

it

older
?

So

the

fact

that

I

have

a

tendon

tear

does

it

still

hurt
?

It

hurts

even

as

we

sit

here
.

But

I

don't

look

at

it

like

that

because

I've

trained

myself
.

Now

I'm

different
,

because

I

can

handle

pain
.

Everybody

could

have

the

same

problem

or

the

same

pain
.

How

they

tolerate

it

is

very

different
.

And
.

Rick Macci
29:35

I

don't

mean

you

should

be

like

stupid

about

it

Okay
,

you

should

ever

get

help

and

do

all

that

stuff

but

I

don't

talk

about

it

because

even

Niv

said

how's

your

foot
?

I

said

it's

great

and

I

kind

of

move

on

to

the

next

subject
.

Rick Macci
29:48

Yeah
,

you

know
,

so

I

don't

really
,

because

it

will

get

worse
,

because

then

it's

in

my

mind

all

the

time
,

even

though

I'm

aware

of

it
,

because

I

feel

that

little

stone

kind

of

under

my

foot
.

But

I

always

think

that

it

could

be

worse
.

I'm

the

luckiest

guy

in

the

world
.

I'm

the

luckiest

guy

in

the

world
.

I

mean
,

if

this

is

the

worst

thing

that

ever

happens

to

me
,

I'll

take

it
.

But

it's

the

way

I

look

at

it

instead

of

just

why

me

you

know

why

this

happened

to

me
.

I

try

my

best
,

I

help

others
.

You

know
,

blah
,

blah
.

I

could

go

down

that

rabbit

hole
.

I'm

not

wired

like

that
,

but

that

started

long

ago

and

that

prepared

me

for

moments

like

this
,

because

I

know

life's

about

problems

for

everybody
.

It's

how

you

deal

with

and

now

when

you

have

like

chronic

pain
,

you

know

what

I'm

saying
.

Or

you

have

that

pain
,

I

get

it
,

and

I

hope

anybody

listening

understands

that
.

And

it

goes

back

to

what

I

said

earlier

about

the

appreciation

of

what

I

have

and

how

lucky

I

am
.

She's

talking

about

the

Mayo

Clinic

and

all

this
.

You

know

that's

really

important
.

It

could

be

worse
,

you

know
.

I

mean
,

if

someone

has

a

heart

attack

or

they

lose

a

limb
,

they'll
.

They'll

take

a

plantar

plate

tear

any

day

of

the

week
.

You

know

what

I

mean
.

Rick Macci
31:06

It's

just

like

I

tell

kids

I

said

perfect

example
,

you

got

to

run

for

every

ball
.

This

is

how

I

tell

them
.

And

they

go

well
,

it

was

out
.

And

I

said

I

want

you

to

run

for

every
.

Okay
,

I

don't

care

if

the

ball

is

out
.

I

said

do

you

realize

there's

people

that

cannot

run
?

You

were

born

with

the

opportunity

to

run
.

I

want

your

butt

running

as

fast

as

you

can
.

There

are

people

in

wheelchairs
.

Now

I'm

getting

into

coaching
.

I'm

still

kind

of

on

the

court
,

right
,

you

know
,

and

listen
,

I

flipped

a

script
,

you

know
,

and

they

could

be

a

little

lazy

and

they're

ready

to

call

out

and

celebrate

like

it's

their

birthday

out
.

They

keep

running

like

a

little

squirrel

on

steroids
.

Rick Macci
31:42

Okay
,

I

get

them

to

change

everything

because
,

appreciate

what
,

would

you

run

your

fastest
?

Okay
,

I

mean
,

some

people

can't

run
,

you

know
,

and

I

teach

one

student

or

fathers

in

a

wheelchair

and

stuff

like

that
.

So

I

try

to

talk

to

the

kids

about

that

and

they

have

a

mentor

and

a

role

model

and

a

father

figure

like

Rick

Macy
.

It's

very

different

because

the

parents

are

talking

to

him

in

a

whole

different

cafeteria
,

but

with

me

they

get

a

dose

of

the

real

world
,

and

if

I

can

infiltrate

their

brain

at

a

young

age
,

maybe

they'll

treat

people

better
,

They'll

clean

their

room
,

they

get

off

drugs
,

they

look

at

the

world

different
.

I'm

changing

their

perspective

and

the

best

compliment

is

a

lot

of

these

people

that

I

coached

over

my

career

ones

you've

heard

of

and

haven't
.

I

mean

there's

been

over

300

national

champions
.

They

just

pass

a

lot

of

this

stuff

down

to

their

kids

and

their

kids

the

way

they

look

at

it
,

and

so

to

me

that's

what

it's

all

about
.

Rick Macci
32:44

So

anybody

that

has

a

problem

or

they

have

chronic

illness
,

take

a

step

back
.

We

understand

that's

part

of

the

deal
.

You

know
,

if

you're

looking
,

why

me
,

why

me
?

If

you're

on

that
,

Mary
,

you'll

never

get

out

of

it
.

What's

the

alternative
?

You

want

death
.

I

mean

what

is
?

Alanna
33:02

you

know
,

but

it

feels

like

death

at

times
.

I'll

be

honest
.

Rick Macci
33:05

I

understand

that
,

but

listen
,

it's

all

perfect

example
.

This

is

I'm

kind

of

deviating

away

from

what

we're

talking

about
.

If

people

are

going

to

go

run

a

mile

before

they

run

the

mile
,

I

don't

think

people

are

going
.

I

can't

wait

to

run

the

mile
.

Some

people

are

yeah
,

think

how

you

feel

before

the

mile
.

Then
,

after

you

run

the

mile

and

you

get

done
,

your

mind

is

feeling

totally

different

Right

Than

it

was

five

minutes

ago
.

You

see

what

I'm

saying
.

Yeah
,

and

I

tell

a

lot

of

people

even

I'm

getting

off

the

subject

here

I

tell

all

the

kids

when

I

give

a

speech

at

10

o'clock

every

day

and

they're

all

dead

tired

and

they're

in

the

bleachers
,

I

say
,

okay
,

if

I

said

we're

going

to

go

run

five

miles
,

even

though

I'm

not

like

that
,

okay
,

we're

going

to

run

five

miles

right

now
.

Rick Macci
33:53

How

many

would

do

it
?

Half

of

them

put

their

hand

up

and

they're

lying
.

Okay
,

because

they're

not

going

to

do

it
.

Then

I

said

we're

going

to

run

five

miles
.

If

you

run

five

miles
,

I'll

give

you

$5,000
.

And

every

hand

goes

up
,

every

kid

and

they

got

it

wrong
.

It's

perspective
.

If

they

run

the

five

miles
,

maybe

someday
,

if

they

become

a

pro
,

they'll

make

5,000

look

like

peanuts
.

They

got

it

backwards
.

You

know

what

I

mean
.

This

is

what

people

have

to

understand
.

It

goes

back

to

the

perspective

and

how

we're

looking

at

everything
,

and

chronic

illness

is

a

big

thing
,

so

it

goes

down

to

that

appreciation

it

goes

down

to

that

appreciation
.

Alanna
34:38

It's

interesting

you

say

that

because

and

I'll

correlate

this

with

something

that

I

have

personally

experienced

and

I

say

it

often

so
,

being

someone

with

chronic

illness

and

chronic

pain
,

I

invested

in

myself
.

I

said

I'm

worth

enough

to

invest

in

myself
.

I

have

a

trainer

and

my

trainer

sits

down

with

me

and

we

work

through

a

lot

of

these

things
.

And

I

said

to

him

the

other

day

I

said

I'm

so

proud

of

myself

and

my

trainer

sits

down

with

me

and

we

work

through

a

lot

of

these

things
.

And

I

said

to

him

the

other

day

I

said

I'm

so

proud

of

myself

and

he's

like

you

should

be
.

I

said

no
,

I'm

proud

because

I

can

do

something

I

couldn't

a

year

ago

and

it

was

in

that

moment
.

I

wouldn't

have

said

I

was

proud

of

myself
.

In

that

moment

it

didn't

really

feel

good
.

I'm

going

to

be

honest

with

you
.

It

took

a

lot

of

time

and

effort

and

believing

that

I

was

worth

enough

to

continue

fighting

this

fight

of

I'm

worth
,

putting

myself

in

a

position

to

grow
.

I'm

worth

growing

my

body

and

investing

in

my

body
.

Alanna
35:34

And

I

think
,

because

my

mindset

shifted

into

I

can

do

this
,

and

I

became

proud

of

that

and

it

was

a

good

thing

for

me

as

someone

in

the

chronic

illness

community

and

I

always

tell

people

be

proud

of

the

little

accomplishments

you

make

in

a

day
,

because

they're

so

big

and

what

seems

so

minute

to

some

is

really

big

to

others
.

Alanna
36:02

So

it

may

and

I've

said

this

before

if

an

accomplishment

for

you

in

a

day

is

I

got

up

and

I

got

dressed
,

be

proud

of

those

accomplishments

because

it's

bigger

than

sitting

and

doing

nothing
.

Alanna
36:15

If

your

accomplishment

and

all

you

can

do

because

you're

in

a

pain

flare
,

is

taking

deep

breaths

and

is

trying

to

eat

food

or

drink

relish

in

that

accomplishment
.

It

may

seem

small

to

many

but

it

is

big

to

you
.

Growing Through Small Accomplishments

Alanna
36:30

And

I

think

that

if

we

reframe

our

perspective

around

what

is

an

accomplishment

for

you

and

being

proud

of

those

accomplishments
,

I

think

that

will

propel

people

to

make

bigger

accomplishments

and

grow

even

more

so

when

they're

not

in

a

flare

or

when

they're

not

in

a

state

of

like

just

survival

mode

physically
,

because

that

mental

mindset

is

a

muscle
,

your

brain

is

a

muscle

and

so

training

your

brain

to

be

like

accomplish

something

today

and

being

okay

with

that
,

I

think

will

speak

volumes

to

those

who

are

struggling

to

get

out

of

bed

and

feeling

that

self-worth

diminish

because

they

can't

do

something
.

I

got

out

of

bed

today
.

That's

a

big

accomplishment

for

me

today
.

Dr. Niva
37:18

I

love

that

example
.

That's

what

I'm

just

going

to
.

That's

what

we

talk

about

in

my

clinic

all

the

time

and

that's

the

book
.

Right
,

we

have

to

be

our

own

best

friend

and

our

own

share

leader
.

Yeah
,

and

that's

what

you're

doing

You're

being

your

own

share

leader
.

So

when
,

even

if

there's

small

accomplishments

every

day
,

we

don't

have

to

compare

to

anybody

else
,

we

have

to

compare

it

to

ourselves
,

and

if

we

feel

like

we've

done

more

than

we

can

imagine
,

we've

really

conquered

our

mind

and

our

world
,

that's

great

and

we

just

keep

telling

ourselves

great

job
.

You

did

this
.

Dr. Niva
37:50

For

instance
,

when

somebody

has

an

injury

and

they

hurt

their

foot
,

or

have

patients

who

are

very

weak

in

a

wheelchair

and

they

can't

really

move
,

but

now

they

can

actually

lift

up

their

phone
,

that's

a

huge

deal

for

them
,

right
?

And

so

they

have

to

tell

themselves

and

you

were

talking

about

this

concept

of

self-love
,

and

I

think

that's

really

important
,

especially

with

people

who

are

dealing

with

illnesses
,

because

they

really

beat

themselves

up
.

They

need

it
.

I

had

a

patient

two

weeks

ago

who

had

ALS

and

she

hated

the

fact

that

she

had

to

live

with

her

mom
,

that

she

can't

walk

or

work

or

has

no

money
,

and

she's

just

surviving

with

what

her

mom

made

and

her

mom

is

looking

double

just

to

take

care

of

her
.

But

she

has

to

realize

that
,

like

she

herself

is

a

blessing

you

know

we

went

over

this

she

has

to

love

herself

and

her

mom

loves

her
.

Dr. Niva
38:34

It's

once

she

changed

that

perspective

and

they

realized
,

like

you

know
,

maybe

there's

a

couple

months

left

to

live
.

Then
,

all

of

a

sudden
,

like

she

stopped

beating

herself

up
.

There's

wasting

so

much

time

on

that
,

thinking

so

it's

so

important

to

be

our

best

friend
,

to

be

our

own

cheerleader
,

to

take

care

of

ourselves

and

our

emotions

and

recognize

the

perspective

we

should
.

That

you

know

we

have

to

love

ourselves
.

Alternative

is

not

good
,

you

know

Right
.

Rick Macci
38:59

So

you

know
,

no
,

this

is

huge
.

You

know
,

obviously

the

little

things

make

the

biggest

difference

and

if

you're

going

to

beat

yourself

up

one

way
,

you

got

to

celebrate

the

littlest

things
,

and

this

is

what

I

do
,

obviously
,

on

the

tennis

court

with

people
.

I

want

them

to

feel

good

about

themselves
.

The

other
,

you

get

on

that

hamster

wheel

and

it

just

sucks

everything

out

of

you
.

You

got

to

understand

the

littlest

thing

is

a

major

league

accomplishment

and

even

people

that

maybe

don't

have

an

illness

that

accomplish

something
.

They

take

little

steps
,

they

take

the

stairs
,

not

the

escalator
.

You

can't

look

at

it

like

why

can't

I

do

that
?

Everybody

has

whatever

they're

trying

to

accomplish
.

And

you

got

to

feel

great

about

yourself
.

Just

a

microcosm

of

improvement
,

okay
.

And

you

got

to

feel

great

about

yourself

and

then

that

ripples

into

other

things

and
,

like

you

said
,

maybe

you

needed

the

trainer

to

get

you

going
.

Now

you're

confident
.

Your

confidence

has

breed

more

confident
.

You

even

talk

about

it

different
.

And

now

you're

looking

for
,

you

know
,

for

more

stuff

like

Harnessing Mental and Physical Health

Rick Macci
40:06

that
.

Rick Macci
40:06

And

this

is

very
,

very

important

for

anybody

listening
.

You've

got

to

really

celebrate

and

feel

amazing

about

the

little

things

you

can

do
.

And

you

got

to

understand

you're

going

to

fail
,

it'll

be

a

bad

day

at

the

office
,

but

you

got

to

look

at

it

like

you're

not

failing
.

It's

just

an

opportunity

to

do

it

better
.

It's

all

how

you

look

at

it
.

But

if

you

look

at

it

black

and

white
,

you're

going

down

a

path

and

you'll

just

lose

so

many

other

inner

qualities
.

I

can't

even

tell

you
.

When

it

goes

back

to

what

we

said

earlier

let's

celebrate

the

littlest

things

are

huge
,

it's

huge
.

You

know
.

When

it

goes

back

to

what

we

said

earlier
,

let's

celebrate

the

littlest

things

are

huge
,

it's

huge
.

You

have

no

idea
.

It's

almost

like

you're

motivating

yourself
.

Everybody

needs

a

little

push
,

everybody

needs

some

outside

help
.

Like

Niv

said
,

be

your

best

friend
,

motivate

yourself
.

This

is

such

a

key

thing

I

can't

even

stress

it

enough
.

Alanna
40:54

Yeah
,

niv
,

can

you

tell

us

just

a

little

bit

more

about

the

connection

between

our

physical

health

and

our

mental

health
,

like
,

how

does

mental

health

affect

our

physical

health
?

Dr. Niva
41:07

It's

so

important
.

It's

a

fundamental

building

block

of

physical

health
.

So

mental

health

is

critical
.

Dr. Niva
41:15

Patients

and

people

whom

I

see

who

have

the

most

positive

outlook
.

They're

grateful

for

everything

they

have
.

I've

noticed

them

just

improve

so

much

better

in

terms

of

their

health
,

and

it's

the

reason

why

is

because

they

take

positive

action

to

love

themselves
.

They

take

positive

action

to

take

care

of

themselves
.

Just

like

you

were

saying
,

they

take

the

right

steps

to

be

able

to

make

the

right

moves

for

their

health
.

Now

imagine

someone

who

doesn't

love

themselves
,

someone

who

doesn't

like

how

they

look

or

they're

mad

at

themselves
.

Now

they

do

destructive

things
.

Right
,

they

go

ahead

and

they

eat

now

because

who

cares
?

They

don't

love

their

body
,

they

don't

sleep

well
,

they

don't

sleep

well
,

they

don't

think

well
.

They

do

things

because

they

really

don't

love

themselves
.

And

so

it's

a

really

big

game

changer
.

The

thinking

positively
,

the

mental

health
,

loving

themselves
,

taking

care

of

themselves
,

is

so

important

in

terms

of
,

of

course
,

mental

health
,

but

our

physical

health
,

and

you

can

see

that

right

away
.

Dr. Niva
42:22

People

self-sabotage
.

It's

all

them

versus

themselves
,

it's

you

versus

you
.

And

Rick

says

that

all

the

time

you

have

to

look

at

yourself

in

the

mirror

and

when

you

figure

out

why

you're

self-sabotaging

yourself
,

like

why

is

it

that

you're

making

the

wrong

choices
?

Why

are

you

eating

them
?

Why

are

you

binge

eating
?

Then

you

have

to

figure

out

what

is

that

pain
?

It

may

be

from

your

childhood
,

maybe

from

who

knows

what

happened
.

Someone

said

something

to

you

and

that

you

see

in

this

like

mental

room

of

constantly

repeating

it

to

yourself

and

hating

yourself
.

Or

you

realize
.

Once

you

realize

that

you're

in

control

of

everything
,

especially

those

thoughts
,

and

that

you

have

control

to

stop

it

right
,

then

you

can

actually

fix

it
.

You

know
,

if

you

stop

those

thoughts

and

then

redirect

them

to

positive

thoughts
,

say

no
,

no
,

that

person

is

wrong

or

that

event

is

not

right
.

Whatever

the

situation

is
,

the

bottom

of

your

body

is

beautiful

and

it

will

be

beautiful

and

I

will

make

it

better

and

you'll

be

on

the

right

track

for

physical

health
.

And
.

Dr. Niva
43:19

I've

seen

such

great

because

I

know

I

deal

with

a

lot

of

patients

who

are

dying

or

ALS
.

I

had

a

patient

with

spinal

muscular

atrophy

in

a

wheelchair

and

she

just

she

can't

move

her

arms

and

legs
,

she's

paralyzed

almost
.

She's

born

with

muscular

dystrophy

and

muscular

atrophy

and

she

can

with

muscular

dystrophy

and

muscular

atrophy

and

she

can
.

She

gets

someone

to

put

makeup

on
,

she

just

makes

herself

feel

good
,

she

can

put

a

little

bit

of

lipstick

and

she

has

a

boyfriend

and

they're

like

going

around

you

know

Walmart
,

and

she

travels

all

the

time

with

her

wheelchair
.

It's

really

important
.

She

makes

her

mental

health

so

good
,

she's

so

positive
,

she

loves

herself
,

she's

always

glowing

positivity

and

that's

how

she

lives

her

lives

yeah

and

she's

probably

one

of

my

healthiest
,

even

though

she's

so

weak
.

Rick Macci
43:59

No
,

tell

me

not

what

I

said

earlier

and

you've

touched

upon

it
.

First

off
,

you

gotta

understand

you

control

the

situation
,

don't

let

it

control

you
.

That's

the

starting

point
.

It's

a

choice
.

But

if

you're

so

in

that

negative
,

you

know

thought

process
,

you're

in

you
.

The

mind

controls

the

body
.

Everybody

has

has

to

understand

that
.

That's

like

number

one

the

mind

controls

the

body
.

Mindset and Perception in Healing

Rick Macci
44:23

This

is

very
,

very

important
.

It's

nothing

to

do

with

how

smart

you

are

or

your

opportunity

or

money

or

anything

like

that
.

The

mind

controls

the

body

and

whatever

lane

you're

in

in

the

game

of

life

and

from

there

you

make

choices

how

you

want

to

treat

people
.

And

it

goes

way

back

to

what

we

said

Appreciate

what

you

have
,

Settle

what

you

don't

have
,

Thankful
.

So

this

is

very

important
.

And

if

you

think

about

it

every

day

when

you

get

up
,

if

someone

you

got

all

these

things

going

on
,

the

kids

screaming
,

yelling
,

I'm

late
,

got

all

these

things

going

on
,

the

kids

screaming
,

yelling
,

I'm

late
,

this
,

that

the

alarm
,

this

you

get

all

these

things

going

on

and

you

have

this

positive

stuff

It'll

kind

of

motivate

you

or

give

you

a

fighting

chance
.

You

know

what

I'm

saying

and

this

is

really

important
.

What

you

put

into

your

mind

every

day
.

This

is

really

important
,

but

people

don't
.

They're

letting

everything

control

them
.

Alanna
45:18

Yeah
,

I

think

something
,

too
,

that

I

have

really

seen

as

a

benefit

in

navigating

my

own

journey

with

this

is

that

I

think

there's

this

misconception

that

grief

has

to

be

doom

and

gloom
,

and

I

think

we

deal

with

a

lot

of

grief

and

that's

a

normal

part

of

humans
.

We

will

walk

through

grief

in

our

life
.

You

are

not

exempt

at

all

from

grief
,

right
?

It's

just

that

when

you

live

with

a

chronic

illness
,

grief

can

either

heal

in

a

different

way

and

it's

a

stronger

sense

of

healing

and

you

heal

the

mind

of

the

hurt

and

the

pain

doesn't

mean

that

we

ignore

it

or

that

we

forget

it
.

It

just

means

that

it

doesn't

consume

us
,

and

I

think

something

that

I've

seen

within

you

know
,

living

with

chronic

illnesses
,

is

that

if

you

live

in

grief

and

allow

it

to

consume

you
,

you

physically

are

not

as

healthy
,

and

that

is

something

that

I

have

had

to

focus

on
.

I

can

have

joy

in

my

grief
,

and

I

can

have

it

doesn't

mean

that

I'm

not

in

pain
.

It

doesn't

mean

that

I'm

not

struggling
,

trying

to

navigate

my

day

to

day
.

What

it

means

is

that

I'm

not

allowing

it

to

consume

me
,

and

I

think

the

effects

on

my

body

because

of

that

is

better
,

Like

my

outcome

physically

is

better

because

I'm

not

holding

on

to

the

weight

of

the

world
,

I'm

not

holding

on

to

things

that

I

can't

control
.

Alanna
47:05

And

something

that

I've

learned

and

I'm

not

sure

how

much

of

this

is

in

the

book
,

but

I

think

it

is

is

that

and

we

talk

about

the

controlling

what's

in

our

mind
,

but

I

can

only

control

what

I

put

in

my

mind

and

in

my

body
.

Alanna
47:18

And

if

I

put

that

joy

and

I

put

that

mindset

of

healing

and

I

put

that

in

front

of

me

as

like

I'm

not

going

to

let

this

stop

me

today
,

it

might

limit

me

a

little

bit

but

it's

not

going

to

stop

me
,

it's

not

going

to

stop

me

from

living
.

And

if

I

put

that

mindset

there
,

my

body

will

follow

that

to

the

best

of

its

ability
.

We

will

have

limitations
,

but

it'll

follow

in

the

best

of

my

ability

and

I'm

not

going

to

hold

it
.

Tension

and

stress

and

anger

and

negativity
.

If

we

hold

on

to

that
,

our

bodies

feel

it

and

I

know

that

for

me

personally

that

has

been

a

huge

part

of

it
.

Right
,

we

as

humans

have

the

ability

to

let

it

go

and

work

through

it

and

that's
,

I

think
,

part

of

the

biggest

part

of

healing

physically

is

knowing

that

there

are

things

you

can't

control

and

then

there

are

things

that

you

can
,

but

thinking

about

not

having

to

hold

the

weight

of

the

world

will

help

you
.

Dr. Niva
48:11

Yeah
,

and

I

think

that's

part

of

the

book

talks

about

thinking

loops
,

and

so

what

we

try

to

say

is

that

our

baseline

state

should

always

be

joy
,

because

that's

who

we

are

and

our

thoughts

should

be

programmed

to

get

that

constant

joy
.

In

fact
,

if

I

don't

have

that
,

I

have

to
,

like

actually

go

through

a

thinking

loop

and

figure

out

what

it

is

that's

bothering

me

and

fix

it
,

because

it's

just

a

matter

of

looking
.

It's

a

simple

thought

that

needs

to

be

adjusted
,

and

so

I'll

be

like

why

is

it

that

I

suddenly

felt

bad

about

X
,

y
,

z
?

And

then

I'll

be

like

okay
,

back

it

up

and

how

do

we

fix

it
?

Dr. Niva
48:44

So

a

thinking

loop

is

how

our

minds

are

programmed

and

they

occur

years

and

years

into

your

kids
.

It's

how

you're

born
.

It's

like

you

suddenly

somebody

says

something

and

all

of

a

sudden
,

trade

with

a

domino

triggers

that

thought
.

Uh
,

you

see

something

or

you

hear

something
,

or

you

know

who

knows

what

is

taste

something
,

and

now

you

have

a

sensation

that's

triggering

a

thought
.

It's

usually

something

you

know

situation
,

maybe

you

could

be

at

work

or

at

home

and

and

it

dominoes

into

that
.

Dr. Niva
49:10

So

something

you

get

into

a

loop

and

it's

important

to

journal

these

or

to

think

about

and

really

train

your

mind
,

saying

what

is

it

that

bothers

me
?

And

so

if

there's

like

an

external

event

that

does

that

constantly
,

that

stuff

needs

to

be

made
.

It's

like

a

weed

you

have

to

take

it

out

and

it's

just

a

practice

of

discipline

every

day
.

I

do

that
.

So
,

like

joy

is

your

mate
,

you

know
,

should

be

your

constant

state
.

All

right
,

you

know
,

and

I

know

there's

grief

and

there's

stuff

like

that
,

and

that's

understandable
.

Everyone

goes

through

it
.

You

can

even

use

the

thinking

loop

to

overcome

what

you're

saying

and

to

find

the

joy

in

something

that's

maybe

a

negative

emotion
,

and

learn

to

train

our

minds

to

be

able

to

be

involved

within

ourselves
,

to

be

able

to

be

programed
.

We

don't

realize

we

have

all

this

power
.

Rick Macci
49:59

You

said

earlier
,

everybody

has

to

understand

you're

gonna

have

problems
,

that's
.

Don't
.

Rick Macci
50:01

Don't

think

like

oh
,

today

was

a

great

day

you

know
,

okay
,

and

then

you

think

every

no
,

you're
,

there's

gonna

be

problems
.

The

best

of

the

best

of

all

the

rest
,

whether

it

be

in

business
,

sports

or

whatever
,

they

dealt

with

more

failure
,

okay
,

and

more

setbacks

and

more

problems

than

anybody
.

Not

so

much

the

chronic

illness

or

that

type

of

stuff
.

To

some

degree

They've

dealt

with

all

of

that
,

but

all

people

do

is

see

where

they're

at
.

But

all

those

yesterdays

of

failure

and

setback
,

misery

and

pain

led

to

the

future
,

all

those

yesterdays
.

So

people

have

to

understand

no

one

just

goes

from

there

over

the

moon
.

No

way
,

it's

brick

by

brick
.

It's

like

building

a

house

and

how

you

respond

to

it

is

I'm

going

to

have

problems
,

I'm

going

to

fail
,

but

if

you

don't

try
,

you'll

probably

be

undefeated
.

I

tell

people
,

don't

enter

the

tournament
,

you're

not

going

to

lose
.

I

mean
,

give

me

a

break
,

but

it's

all
.

Once

again
,

perspective
.

You

got

to

expect

that
.

And

then

how

you

deal

with

it
.

We

could

be

in

the

car

and

we

go

to

a

red

light

and

then

it

turns

green

and

the

guy

in

front

of

you

doesn't
.

You're

going

to

maybe

lay

on

the

horn

for

five

seconds
.

Okay
,

you

might

just

ignore

the

whole

thing

because

you

are

calm

and

you're

gonna

do

this
,

or

you

might

say

they're

number

one
,

who

knows

what
.

How

you're

gonna

respond

to

the

situation
,

you

know
.

But

by

just

knowing

okay

and

being

calm
,

it's

better

for

your

health

and

you

train

yourself
.

Rick Macci
51:36

I'm

not

saying

any

of

those

are

wrong
.

I

mean

that's

up

in

the

eye

of

the

beholder

how

they

handle

that
.

But

it's

very

important

that

you

just

don't

overreact
.

You

know
,

and

everybody

says

you'll

get

better

tomorrow
.

Good

night
,

see

what's

changed

other

than

time
.

Why

don't

you

change

it

immediately
?

Good

night
,

see

what's

changed

other

than

time
.

Why

don't

you

change

it

immediately
?

Rick Macci
51:54

How

you

look

at

it
,

okay
,

you

know
,

some

people

get

upset

all

the

time
.

They

make

mountains

out

of

molehills

and

some

people

have

the

same

exact

thing
.

They're

going

to

respond

differently
.

It's

crazy

and

it

goes

all

the

way

back

to

all

these

gold

nuggets
,

all

these

gems

that

we

talked

about
.

And

you

can

imagine

the

mental

strength

of

some

of

the

athletes

I've

worked

with
.

It's

not

that

they

were

quicker
,

faster
,

bigger
,

stronger
,

better

forehand
,

backhand

or

circle
,

it's

all

how

they

handle

things
.

If

you

look

at

Federer

and

Alan

Djokovic
,

when

they

played

they

lost

45%

of

the

points
,

but

they

have

more

grand

slams

than

anybody
.

That's

a

lot

of

losing

of

points
.

You

know

you

might

think

it's

like

80%

that

they

won

and

they

only

lost

like

20%
.

No
,

it's

how

you

handle

the

key

moments
.

That's

different

than

chronic

illness
,

but

I'm

just

the

same

thing

how

you

handle

things

and

frame

it

up

in

your

mind
.

You

know

and

motivate

yourself

and

look

at

the

world

to

a

different

lens
.

Alanna
52:56

Absolutely
.

There's

a

huge

correlation

with

that
,

though
.

I

mean
,

even

in

the

chronic

illness

community
.

I

think

how

you

frame

your

mindset

and

how

you

allow

what's

been

handed

to

you

propel

you

to

do

something

more

will

change
.

If

you

have

purpose

in

your

pain
,

if

you

have

purpose

in

the

things

that

you've

gone

through

that

are

challenges
,

if

you

find

that

purpose
,

it

propels

you

out

of

yourself
.

It's

kind

of

a

weird

mind

shift
,

right
.

It's

an

out-of-body

thing

sometimes

when

you

step

out

of

yourself

to

help

others

because

of

what

you've

gone

through
.

I

think

there's

so

much

power

and

healing

in

that
,

and

I've

said

this

so

many

times

to

people

helping

others

and

stepping

outside

of

ourselves

to

help

others

feel

joy
,

to

feel

seen
,

to

feel

validated
,

is

healing

for

us
,

and

there's

so

much

to

be

said

about

that
.

Alanna
53:52

Do

I

love

the

fact

that

I've

always

been

in

pain
?

I

mean
,

it's

not
,

doesn't

feel

great
.

You

know

that

doesn't

feel

great
,

but

what

I

can

do

is

I

can

use

my

pain

and

I

can

help

others
,

and

then

it

no

longer

becomes

consuming
,

it

no

longer

becomes

about

me
,

it

no

longer

becomes

about

you

know

what

I

can

or

cannot

do
.

It

turns

into

how

can

we

shift

this
,

how

can

I

help

someone

and

you

find

joy

in

helping

those

people
.

It

just

kind

of

separates

that

mentality

and

that's

just

been

my

personal

experience

in

doing

this

is

that

it

brings

joy

in

helping

others
.

Like

I

don't

know

one

person

that

helps

someone

who

doesn't

find

joy

in

that
.

You

know

Easy

solution

to

finding

joy

help

someone
.

I

mean

there's

step

one

right
.

So

I

do

think

there's

a

lot

of

things

that

we

can

do

to

kind

of

step

out

of

that

mental

mindset

of

just

pain

in

the

chronic

illness

community
.

I

think

we

have

to

look

outside

of

it
.

Rick Macci
54:55

Absolutely
.

I

love

what

you

just

said

because

I've

done

so

many

interviews

and

podcasts
,

especially

since

the

movie

King

Richard
,

plus

my

whole

career
,

but

that's

the

cornerstone

of

my

career
,

that's

the

cornerstone

of

Rick

Macy
.

I

love

to

help

others

more

than

myself
.

It's

not

just

the

technical
,

the

biomechanics
,

and

that

feeling

to

help

others

is

so

gratifying
.

You

know
,

I'm

a

builder
,

I'm

a

life

changer
,

but

I've

done

that

for

so

long
.

I

just

be
,

you

become

that

and

then

you

have

pride

in

that
.

You

know
,

when

I

mean

it's

to

the

point

where

my

own

kids
,

even

when

it's

my

birthday
,

I'm

buying

them

presents
,

right
,

it's

a

matter

of

what's

going

on
.

That's

a

little

extreme
,

I

mean
,

I

got

it
,

you

know
,

but

that's

kind

of

how

I'm

just

put

together

and

I

think

that

baseline

that

you

just

said

helps

me

deal

with

everything

and

that's

why

I

become

you

know

what

I've

become
,

you

Balancing Caregiver Mental Health

Rick Macci
55:59

know
.

Rick Macci
55:59

And

all

around

the

Rick

Macy

Tennis

Center
,

you

know
,

it's

like

Disneyland
,

candyland
,

the

land

of

opportunity
.

Then

when

the

words

come

out
,

it's

just

a

place

where

everybody

would

rather

have

a

compliment

than

something

you

know

negative
.

So

what

you

said

earlier

to

me

is

gold
,

but

that's

been

the

cornerstone

you

got
.

You

learn

education

as

you

go

along
,

you

get

experience
,

you

get

all

that

as

you

go

along
.

But

the

cornerstone

of

that

any

teacher
,

coach

or

rule

model
,

okay
,

it's

huge
,

you

know
.

And

when

you

know

you're

making

a

difference

in

someone's

life
,

you're

right
,

it's

huge
,

you

know
.

And

when

you

know

you're

making

a

difference

in

someone's

life
,

you're

right
,

it

can

help

you
.

I

never

really

looked

at

it

so

much

like

that
,

but

then

you

have

a

standard

and

a

pride
,

uh
,

so

it's

definitely

and

if

can
,

probably

it

has
.

It's

probably

uh
,

helped

me

a

lot
.

So

I've

kind

of

been

the

same

way

ever

since

I

started

doing

this
.

Yeah
.

Alanna
56:51

Yes
,

here's

a

real

question
,

and

maybe
,

rick
,

you

would

know

this

too
,

but

I

think

that
,

because
,

when

you

are

constantly

giving
,

though
,

the

other

side

of

this

is

when

you

give
,

give
,

give
,

say
,

our

caretakers

who

are

taking

care

of

us
,

who

are

maybe

not

feeling

good
,

and

there

is

that

caregiver

burnout
.

There

is

a

lot

of

that

how

do

we

support

and

how

do

we

help

those

who

are

the

caregivers

maybe

going

through

that

burnout
,

reshift

that

mindset
,

to

find

that

mental

toughness
,

strength
,

joy
,

perseverance
,

all

of

these

things

that

we're

talking

about
,

because

that

is

a

really

hard

thing

to

give
,

give
,

give

of

yourself

all

the

time
,

but

maybe

not

even

feel

like

you're

getting

back

I

think

that's

the

hard

part

about

that

or

like

feeling

like

that's

thankless
.

How

can

we

train

our

minds

to

have

perspective

and

gratitude

and

thankfulness

when

it's

never

ending
?

Dr. Niva
58:00

I

think

I

deal

with

that

in

the

clinics
.

I

have

a

lot

of

patients

who

have

caregivers
,

right

Right
,

and

the

most

important

thing

I

noticed

is

that

sometimes

these

caregivers

get

themselves

in

this

mental

trap

where

they

want

to

be

in

that

position

but

then

they

feel

like

they

will

complain

about

it
.

So

it's

very

important

for

them

to

be

very

aware

of

what

they

need

and

a

lot

of

times

they
,

because

they've

invested

so

much

time

and

somebody
,

they

forget

about

themselves

and

they

have

to

keep

on

reminding

themselves

every

day

that

they

gotta

have

that

balance
.

And

it

sounds

they

say
,

oh
,

it's
,

it's

just
,

but

the

thing

is

it

is

possible

in

some

ways

that

they

want

See
,

and

that's

where

they

get

a

little

bit

confused

and

have

to

recognize

what

they

need

and

they

overdo

it
.

So

they

just

they

forget

about

themselves
.

Dr. Niva
58:44

And

I

think

the

book

is

supposed

to

help

refocus

who

they

are
,

what

they

like
,

what

their

joys

are
.

They

have

to

make

that

part
,

the

caregiving
,

a

part

of

who

they

are
,

but

not

the

whole

thing
.

And

unfortunately

a

lot

of

the

caregivers

tend

to

make

that

their

whole

life

and

it's

very

complicated

because

it

becomes

a

mental

sort

of

loop

and

everyday
,

you

know
,

kind

of

a

drain
.

And

the

way

that

they

do

is

separate

themselves

from

the

caregiver
.

And

as

soon

as

they

separate

themselves
,

I

say
,

well
,

that's

something

I

do
.

But

then

there's

also

something

I

do

for

me
.

And

you

know
,

if

they

can

find
,

you

know
,

someone

to

give

them

that

break
,

even

if

it's

for

a

few

hours
,

that's

worth

lots

of
.

You

know
,

it's

a

lot
,

but

it's

worth

a

lot

to

these

people

because

they

have

to

find

their

individual

self
.

Dr. Niva
59:35

What

happens

is

they

get

so

obsessed

with

their
.

They

actually

mentally

get

so

obsessed

and

they

think

that

that's

who

they

are
.

They

identify

themselves

with

the

caregiving
.

They

think

that

the

other

person

is

so

dependent

on

them
.

And

sometimes

these

patients

are
,

like

either

brain

dead

or

you

know
.

Sometimes

they

have
,

like

you

know
,

no

cognitive

awareness

of

the

caregiver
,

and

so

so

you

just
.

But

these

caregivers

have

this

like

whoa
,

like

oh
,

I'm

doing

everything

and

I'm

just

sacrificing
,

and

they

get

this

like

kind

of

high

from

it
.

They

forget

about

themselves
.

And

whatever

happens

if

they

stop

the

caregiving

part

of

it
,

then

all

of

a

sudden

there's

a

huge

vacuum
,

because

now

they

have

nothing

right
.

Just

very
,

very

important

that

they

recognize

what

they

like

they

write

in

a

journal
.

They

recognize
,

like

you

know
,

the

things

that

mean

a

lot
.

They

give

them

joy
,

they

reframe

things

and

then

also

balance
.

That

time

for

themselves

is

so

important
.

They

have

to
,

and

and

it's

if

they

don't

do

it
.

They're

going

to

get

into

that

trap

of

just

being

overburdened

by

someone
.

Rick Macci
1:00:35

I

love

this

question
.

No
,

listen
,

she's

a

caregiver

and

to

some

degree
,

obviously
,

when

you're

in

a

certain

profession
,

I'm

a

caregiver
,

you

know
.

But

on

the

court
,

I

show

you

how

to

deliver
,

you

know
.

That's

a

whole

different

thing
.

But

listen
,

I

look

at

this

differently
,

and

Nev

just

brought

it

up
.

This

is

what

you

want

to

do

Either

you're

in

or

you're

Maintaining Identity and Balance as Caregivers

Rick Macci
1:00:55

out
.

Rick Macci
1:00:55

If

you're

in

the

giving

business
,

okay

and

sometimes

the

more

you

give
,

the

more

people

will

take

advantage

or

you'll

feel

like
,

oh
,

they're

just

sucking

all

the

oxygen

out

of

me
.

You

know
,

it's

just

never

ending
.

When

you

start

playing

that

game

like

taking

advantage

of

me
,

this

is

too

much
.

When

you've

gone

on

that
,

you're

in

the

wrong

business
.

But

here's

how

you

handle

it
.

Rick Macci
1:01:17

It's

not

going

to

be

black

and

white
.

Some

people

are

going

to

have

more

needs

than

others

and

you

want

to

give

and

give

and

you

want

to

give

all

that

emotion
.

But

you

got

to

be

this

person

because

that's

your

career
,

job
.

You

got

to

flip

the

script

and

you

got

to

be

another

person
.

You

know

you

got

to

be

able

to

do

stuff

for

yourself
,

to

make

yourself

feel

good
.

But

if

you're

thinking

I

do

everything

for

everybody

else
,

no

one

does

anything

for

me
.

I

just

give

and

give

and

give
.

If

you're

doing

that

time

to

get

a

new

job

because

that's

not

good
,

you

won't

even

do

the

caregiving

that

good
,

right
,

and

you're

beating

yourself

up

on

the

other

end
.

You

got

to

be

this

person
,

boom
,

and

you

got

to

be

able

to

flip

the

script
.

Rick Macci
1:02:03

It's

mental

training
.

It's

like

you

know
,

I

do

all

this

stuff

and

then

I

might

come

home

and

there

might

be
,

you

know
,

15

text

messages
.

It's

like

it

never

ends
.

And

if

I'm

thinking

like

that

all

the

time
,

it's

not

healthy
.

You

put

up

with

it
.

Then

you

grow

not

to

love

what

you

do
.

You

see
,

and

when

you

love

what

you

do

and

you

have

passion
,

that's

how

you

extract

greatness
,

that's

how

you

help

other

people
.

Rick Macci
1:02:26

And

if

you

don't

have

that

balance
,

it

could

get

a

little
.

You

know

it

could

get

a

little

crazy
.

You

know
,

and

you're

going

to

fight

yourself
.

You

have

to

be

going

to

fight

yourself
.

You

have

to

be

able

to

do

that
.

And

you

know

I

mean

I

work

a

lot

and

do

a

lot
,

but

when

I

leave

I

do

a

lot

of

things

for

myself
.

You

know

it's

very

important

to

feel

good

about

yourself
.

You

know

you

got

to

work

out
.

This

is

what

you

want

to

do
,

then

fun
,

whatever

fun

I

have
,

that's

what

you

make

it
.

Fun

is

different

from

everybody
.

Fun

is

different
.

But

if

you

feel

you're

getting

everything

sucked

out

of

you

as

a

caregiver

and

you

feel

that

for

a

long

period

of

time
,

new

job
.

Alanna
1:03:04

Yeah
,

you

know
,

I

think

that's

true
,

and

maybe

what

I'm

hearing

too

is

that

we

should

never

lose

our

identity

to

one

situation

or

one

person
.

Alanna
1:03:12

Like
,

we

are

a

unique

human

with

our

own

identity
,

our

own

love

of

life
,

things

that

bring

us

joy
,

things

that

fulfill

us
,

things

that

kind

of

elicit

that

sense

of

belonging

and

self-worth
,

and

if

we

allow

others

to

dictate

that

in

our

lives

and

we

lose

our

identity

to

that
,

that's

where

that

burnout

tends

to

happen
,

when

we

aren't

finding

those

pieces

of

joy
,

that

kind

of

take

over

the

hard

things
,

you

know
,

and

that's

I

do

think

there's

so

much

value

to

that
,

and

I

myself

have

had

to

grapple

with

that

at

times

as

a

parent

and

as

a

wife

and

as

an

advocate

in

this

space
.

I'm

still

me

and

I

had

to

find

that

each

of

these

things

fulfilled

me

in

a

different

way
,

but

I

couldn't

lose

my

identity

in

just

one

of

these

things

and

that's

been

so

impactful

for

me

to

be

like

I'm

going

to

take

my

day

off

today
,

you

know
,

and

I'm

going

to

fuel

myself
,

I'm

going

to

feed

myself
,

you

know
,

every

day
.

Dr. Niva
1:04:21

It

should

take

some

time

off
.

That's

very

good

for
,

like
,

some

time

for

yourself
.

Alanna
1:04:24

Yeah
,

that's

very

that's

awesome

For

people

that

are

interested

in

learning

more

about

your

book

and

about

your

journeys
.

Billion Dollar Mind Book Discussion

Alanna
1:04:33

Where

can

they

find

your

book
?

Dr. Niva
1:04:35

Billion

Dollar

Mind

is

on

Amazon

and

they

can

find

it

at

their

local

bookstore
.

I

had

someone

buy

it

from

anywhere
.

If

you

go

online
,

you

can

find

copies

of

it
,

so

they're

mostly

from

Amazon
.

Okay
,

and

it's

been

a

game

changer

for

a

lot

of

our

people
.

Rick Macci
1:04:51

I

don't

want

to

interrupt

about

the

book
.

You

can

go

back

to

it
.

Okay
,

you

can

go

back

to

it

like

it's

a

journal

where

you

can

come

back
.

You

go

back
,

you

take

notes
,

you

look

at

it
.

It's

not

just

like

one

and

done
.

You

know
,

oh
,

it's

a

great

book
.

No

people
,

this

is

like

the

gift

that

keeps

on

giving

and

people

go

back

to

it
.

It's

a

shot

of

adrenaline

and

people

go

back

to

it
.

It's

a

shot

of

adrenaline

Every

day
.

They

should

read

a

snippet
,

you

know
,

and

you

got

a

better

chance

to

get

off

on

the

right

foot
,

because

right

when

you

get

up
,

a

lot

of

times

people

are

hit

with

like

a

lot

of

different

stuff

and

if

you

get
,

like

I

said
,

when

you

get

into

that

positive

routine
,

you

become

a

machine
.

Yeah
.

Rick Macci
1:05:28

There's

a

kid's

version

and

a

regular

journal
.

Alanna
1:05:31

Oh
,

so

there's

a

kid's

version

and

a

regular

journal
.

Oh
,

so

there's

a

kid's

version

and

a

journal
.

That's

great
.

So

it

kind

of

encompasses

everyone

in

the

family
,

every

age

gap

and

generation
.

That's

fantastic
.

Audio

book

as

well

Perfect
.

Alanna
1:05:44

I

want

to

leave

with

this

little

thing

and

I'll

let

you

guys

give

your

kind

of

two

cents

on

this

too
.

I

have

started

a
.

You

know

they

have

gratitude

journals

and
,

as

someone

who

is

very

ADHD
,

journals

to

me

are

like

not

the

best

idea

because

I'll

lose

everything

in

there
.

But

if

you

have

a

calendar

and

every

day

you

just

write

down

a

little

bit

of

what

you're

thankful

for
,

a

little

bit

of

that

gratitude
,

so

every

day

you're

seeing

and

you

can

look

back

at

the

gratitude

piece

for

each

day
.

Alanna
1:06:12

And

sometimes

I

have

a

hard

time

feeling

that

gratitude

because

I'm

in

a

place

where

it's

maybe

not

that

I'm

just

kind

of

like

we

all

have

those

blah

times
,

you

know
.

But

I

will

go

back

and

I

look

at

my

calendar

of

gratitude

and

it

allows

me

to

see

what

I

can

be

grateful

for

and

reframes

that
.

So

for

those

of

us

who

struggle

just

writing

and

journaling
,

I

usually

use

a

calendar

because

it's

very

block-like

and

it's

very

clear

and

concise

and

you

can

go

back

into

time

and

look

at

the

things

that

you

have

been

grateful

for

and

can

continue

to

be

grateful

for

and

I

think
,

just

speaking

the

word

of

gratitude

so

you

know

in

my

emails

or

my

texts
,

I'm

so

thankful

for

you
.

Gratitude
,

so

you

know

in

my

emails

or

my

texts
,

I'm

so

thankful

for

you
,

I'm

so

grateful

for

you
.

I

think

that

just

makes

a

huge

difference

every

day
.

Dr. Niva
1:06:58

To

you

and

to

the

person

receiving

it
,

that

means

a

lot
.

Yeah

yeah
,

rick

always

talks

about

like

Venus

and

Serena

would

say

thank

you

every

single

time

that's

like

your

favorite

story
.

Rick Macci
1:07:09

Every

day

they

good
,

bad
,

happy
,

sad

Venus

and

Serena
.

When

they

were

kids

we'd

go

off

the

floor

and

you

know
,

just

after

six

hours

it's

like

Rick
,

thank

you

very

much
.

And

whether

it

be

a

hug

or

a

fist

pump

Now

Sharina's

fist

pump

was

a

little

more

authoritative

sometimes
,

you

know
,

she

was

like
,

you

know

that

Compton

street

fight
,

but

no
,

very
,

very

appreciative
.

But

you

just

said

something

that

would

be

great

if

people

would

write

it

down
.

But

they

don't

even

write

it

down

because

they

don't

want

to
.

They

don't

have

the

discipline
.

Now

we're

back

on

the

self-discipline
.

If

I

told

people

like

I

have

the

kids
,

you

write

this

in

your

journal
,

and

they

did

it
,

okay
.

But

if

I

said
,

if

you

write

it

in

your

journal

tonight
,

tomorrow
,

when

you

come

here
,

I'm

giving

everybody

$100
.

You

know

everybody

would

do

it
.

They

got

it

backwards

again
.

Something

shouldn't

make

you

do

it

when

it

comes

from

you

and

you

alone
.

That's

when

mental

strength

goes

on

to

a

whole

nother

orbit
.

Alanna
1:08:06

Yeah
,

thank

you

both

so

much

for

taking

the

time

to

sit

down

with

me
.

Thank

you

both

so

much

for

taking

the

time

to

sit

down

with

me
.

It's

full

of

smiles

and

laughter

and

great

skills

Building Mental Strength and Perseverance

Alanna
1:08:20

.

To

take

out

of

this

in

ways

that

we

can

shift

our

mindset

and

our

lives

and

find

real

joy

and

motivation

and

strength

and

perseverance
.

I

think

that's

a

big

thing

for

us

is

to

have

that

perseverance

and

to

not

give

up

and

not

allow

life

to

consume

us

but

to

allow

ourselves

to

have

the

mental

and

to

not

give

up

and

not

allow

life

to

consume

us
,

but

to

allow

ourselves

to

have

the

mental

strength

to

continue

going
.

So

thank

you

both

so

much

for

taking

that

time

and

breaking

that

down

and

for

writing

a

book

that

gives

us

a

tool

to

put

in

our

tool

belts

to

continue

to

learn

these

steps

how

to

be

healthier

overall
.

Humans

right
,

healthy

humans

are

happy

humans
.

Well
,

troy
,

thank

you

so

much
.

Rick Macci
1:08:54

Thanks

for

having

us
.

There's

a

lot

of

fun
.

Alanna
1:08:56

Yes
,

thank

you
.

Until

next

time
,

everyone

continue

advocating

for

you

and

for

those

that

you

love
.

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