Transforming Pain into Advocacy: Arleigh Cole’s Endometriosis Journey

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Imagine being nine years old and feeling a constant, unexplainable pain that no one seems to take seriously. That’s exactly what Arleigh Cole experienced, and in this powerful episode of Endo Battery, she shares her incredible journey from those early days of fatigue and bowel issues to becoming a fierce advocate for endometriosis and adenomyosis awareness. Join me, Alanna, as we uncover Arleigh’s story of enduring two surgeries, a hysterectomy, and the harsh realities of inadequate medical care. This episode shines a light on the importance of proper diagnosis, specialized treatment, and the unwavering support of a community that truly understands.

Arleigh and I dive deep into the emotional and physical challenges of living with an invisible disease. We discuss the cycles of false hope, the frustration of societal disbelief, and the profound sense of isolation that often accompanies such conditions. By sharing her personal battles and triumphs, Arleigh emphasizes the healing power of validation and community support. We also touch on the difficult transition through menopause and the impact of being constantly unseen and unheard, while highlighting the strength and resilience that comes from shared experiences.

We also explore the systemic issues plaguing women’s health, from the impact of endometriosis on pregnancy and motherhood to the disparities in healthcare access and treatment. This episode tackles the misconceptions, misdiagnoses, and emotional toll of chronic fatigue and pain, and underscores the urgency of educating young women about their bodies. Through personal anecdotes and broader societal insights, Arleigh and I stress the importance of advocacy, education, and continued research to support women facing these challenges. Tune in to be inspired by Arleigh’s transformation into a powerful advocate and to learn how you can contribute to raising awareness and driving change.

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Journey Through Endometriosis and Adenomyosis

Speaker 1
0:03

Welcome

to

EndoBattery
,

where

I

share

about

my

endometriosis

and

adenomyosis

story

and

continue

learning

along

the

way
.

This

podcast

is

not

a

substitute

for

professional

medical

advice

or

diagnosis
,

but

a

place

to

equip

you

with

information

and

a

sense

of

community
,

ensuring

you

never

have

to

face

this

journey

alone
.

Join

me

as

I

navigate

the

ups

and

downs

and

share

stories

of

strength
,

resilience

and

hope
.

While

navigating

the

world

of

endometriosis

and

adenomyosis
,

from

personal

experience

to

expert

insights
,

I'm

your

host
,

alana
,

and

this

is

EndoBattery

charging

our

lives

when

endometriosis

drains

us
.

Welcome

back

to

EndoBattery
,

grab

your

cup

of

coffee

or

your

cup

of

tea

and

join

me

at

the

table
.

Speaker 1
0:47

Today

I'm

joined

by

my

guest
,

arlie

Cole
.

Arlie

is

an

incredible

Indo

warrior

who

began

her

public

advocacy

journey

by

courageously

sharing

her

story

on

Instagram

through

her

page
,

missindostoodwarriors
.

Since

then
,

she's

continued

to

be

a

powerful

voice

in

the

community

as

a

certified

health

coach
,

using

her

platform

to

be

a

powerful

voice

in

the

community

as

a

certified

health

coach
,

using

her

platform

to

speak

out

about

the

challenges

of

living

with

endometriosis
.

I'm

excited

to

dive

into

her

journey

and

the

important

work

she's

doing

to

raise

awareness
.

Please

help

me

in

welcoming

Arlie

Cole
.

Thank

you

so

much
,

arlie
,

for

joining

me

today

and

allowing

me

to

sit

down

at

the

table

with

you

for

this

really

important

conversation
.

Not

only

important
,

but

it's

a

conversation

where

I

feel

like

people

are

going

to

feel

validated

because

your

story

has

been

impactful

for

many

online
.

If

you've

been

following
,

you'll

know

that

your

story

is

many

people's

story
,

so

thank

you

so

much

for

joining

me
.

Speaker 2
1:41

Thank

you

so

much

for

joining

me
.

Thank

you

so

much

for

opening

the

conversation

with

me
.

I'm

really

happy

to

share

my

own

personal

experience

because
,

like

you

said
,

I

think

it's

super

important

that

other

people

understand

that

they're

not

alone
,

and

all

of

our

stories

are

very

similar

and

overlapping

in

a

lot

of

areas
.

Speaker 1
2:03

Yeah
,

I

think

that's

part

of

what

going

through

this

journey

has

taught

me

is

that

people

who

have

lived

experiences

together

thrive

together
.

We

heal

together
,

we

grow

together
.

We

experience

life

differently
,

we

feel

validated
,

we

feel

very

uplifted

oftentimes

and

then

we

can

walk

through

the

trenches

together

with

understanding
,

and

so

I

think

that's

important

to

highlight

overall
.

But

in

saying

that
,

your

story

didn't

start

when

social

media

started
,

can

you

give

us

a

background

as

to

what

you've

gone

through

and

part

of

your

journey

and

what's

taking

you

to

where

you

are

today
?

Speaker 2
2:41

Sure
.

So

yes
,

my

journey

began

way

before

social

media
.

It

began

around

age

nine

and

I

was

sick

in

terms

of

having

a

lot

of

fatigue
.

I

had

bowel

issues

and

pelvic

pain
,

and

it

just

wasn't

ever

questioned
.

Really
,

it

was

never

brought

up

to

the

pediatrician
.

It

just

sort

of

seemed

like

to

me

that

that

was

something

that

everyone

was

experiencing
.

That

was

just

like

a

part

of

life
.

And

then

when

I

started

getting

my

period

at

13
,

again
,

it

was

getting

my

period

at

13
,

again
.

It

was

not

really

ever

a

big

conversation
.

It

was

just

more

about

the

fact

that
,

as

women

in

our

family
,

this

is

what

we

dealt

with
,

that

that

was

a

norm
.

There

was

nothing

abnormal

about

bleeding

through

sanitary

napkins

and

waking

up

in

a

pool

of

blood

and

not

being

able

to

get

out

of

bed

to

go

to

school
.

Just

sort

of

was

something

that

I

dealt

with

on

a

monthly

basis

until

it

became

more

of

a

regular

issue

in

terms

of

pain

and

fatigue

and

other

sort

of

mystery

ailments

and

symptoms
.

Speaker 2
4:04

And

it

took

me

24

years

to

be

properly

diagnosed

with

endometriosis
.

And

that

was

after

having

two

surgeries
,

one

for

what

was

suspected

cancer

and

then

two

was

a

hysterectomy

and

my

my

pain

and

issues

actually

became

worse

after

the

hysterectomy

because

I

did

not

see

a

specialist
.

I

really

didn't

know

very

much

about

the

disease

at

all
.

It

had

been

mentioned

to

me

in

my

early

20s
.

I

just

remember

somebody

saying

and

it

may

have

been

my

mom
,

because

she

also

had

endometriosis

but

after

she

had

a

hysterectomy

she

never

had

any

pain
.

So

I

think

somebody

said

to

me

along

the

way

you

might

have

trouble

getting

pregnant
,

but

that

was

really

the

only

thing

that

was

ever

mentioned
.

And

then

I

remember

being

pregnant

and

literally

in

labor
,

about

to

push
,

and

the

nurse

said

to

me

oh

well
,

now

you'll

never
.

You

know
,

you

don't

have

to

worry

about

endometriosis

because

you

had

a

baby
.

Um
,

so

clearly

that's

not

the

case

and

it

wasn't

the

case

and

my

issues
,

like

I

said
,

after

I

had

a

hysterectomy

with

an

oncology

gynecologist
,

it

got

worse
.

Speaker 2
5:32

It

got

worse

because

it

was

burned

out

and

it

wasn't

excised
.

I

started

developing

other

sort

of

autoimmune

issues

and

my

inflammation

was

really

high
.

I

had

rashes

on

my

face
.

I

had

like

burning

in

my

eyes

constantly
,

obviously

like

the

abdominal

dissension

looked

like

six

months

pregnant

on

a

regular

basis
,

to

the

point

where

it

didn't

matter

anymore

about

what

I

ate
.

You

know
,

if

I

restricted

pasta

or

rice

or

bread

or

you

know
,

carbs
,

that

would

help
.

And

then

it

was

like
,

well
,

I

just

ate

a

piece

of

chicken
,

you

know
.

Or

I

just

had

a

tomato
.

I

removed

all

like

nightshades

and

inflammatory

foods
.

I

did

learn

a

lot

about

diet

and

how

that

can

worsen

symptoms

and

contribute

to

bowel

problems
,

but

I

knew

that

that

was

not

like
,

that

wasn't

going

to

fix

my

issues
.

Speaker 2
6:31

But

it

did

definitely

help
.

But

it

was

so

bad

to

the

point

where

I

did

go

see

a

specialist

and

I

had

stage

four

deep

infiltrating

endo

with

frozen

pelvis
.

Everything

was

completely

glued

together
.

I

ended

up

with

a

bowel

resection
.

It

had

not

just

been

on

the

surface

of

the

bowel
,

but

it

actually

penetrated

the

layers

of

the

bowel
,

causing

an

obstruction
.

And

you

know
,

funny

enough
,

my

imaging

never

showed

that
.

In

fact

I

had

multiple

colonoscopies

and

no

one

said

anything

about

obstruction
.

In

fact

I

was

told

that

I

didn't

do

the

bowel

prep

properly

and

that

I

must

not

have

done

it

right

which

was

super

infuriating

because

I

definitely

did

the

bowel

prep
.

Speaker 1
7:23

You're

like

I

know

what

happened

and

it

was

correct
,

Exactly
.

Speaker 2
7:28

So

you

know

it's
.

It's

been

a

wild
,

wild

journey
.

I

just

had

my

fifth

surgery
,

which

was

removing

my

final

ovary
.

I'm

already

in

menopause
.

Prior

to

removing

that

ovary
,

we

had

figured

that

out

and

the

ovary

that

was

just

taken

out

was

completely

black

and

it

had

all

these

cysts

on

it
.

And

if

I

had

waited

one

more

month

for

surgery

and

another

cycle
,

those

cysts

would

have

ruptured

and

I

would

have

been

full

of

cells

again
,

which

would

have

required

a

much

larger

surgery
.

So

I'm

very

grateful

that

I

have

pushed

and

advocated

for

myself

and

shared

my

story

so

that

other

people

don't

have

to

go

Finding Community in Endometriosis Healing

Speaker 2
8:15

through

this
.

It's

wild

that

you

can

have

a

disease

that's

completely

not

recognized

or

fully

understood

and

then

have

that

diagnosis

and

still

continue

to

have

to

like
,

advocate

and

fight

and

educate
.

If

I

didn't

do

all

those

things
,

I

would

probably

go

crazy
.

I

feel

like

it's

inside

me

to

just

have

to

share

my

experience

because

I

can't
,

I

guess
,

harbor

any

more

of

all

of

that
,

like

a

lot

of

people

have
.

Speaker 1
8:43

It

is

hard

when

you

walk

through

a

long

time

of

this

horrible

experience
.

And

I

don't

know

if

you

experienced

this
,

but

initially
,

when

I

was

diagnosed

again
,

I

had

a

doctor

who

was

great
.

She

was

fighting

for

me
,

she

wanted

to

do

her

best

by

me
,

but

again

I

had

ablation

and

I

just

had

that

false

sense

of

hope

over

and

over

and
,

over

and

over

again
.

And

I

just

feel

like

sometimes
,

when

you

compile

all

of

those

years

of

false

hope

and

those

years

of

pain

and

triggers

and

trying

to

advocate

constantly

for

yourself
,

just

so

that

you

have

some

quality

of

life
,

like

you're

not

even

looking

for

top-notch

quality

of

life
,

you're

looking

for

some

quality

of

life
,

right
.

Yeah
,

that's

such

a

good

point
,

yeah
,

and

I

feel

like

saying

something

and

not

living

in

that

space

of
,

I

want

to

say
,

trauma

a

little

bit

and

living

in

that
,

I

really

think
,

helps

our

bodies

heal

and

helps

our

minds

heal

and

helps

our

souls

heal
.

Speaker 1
9:49

To

talk

about

it

and

everyone's

going

to

be

different
,

but

I

know

for

me
,

this

is

why

I'm

doing

this

is

because

it

has

been

extremely

healing

to

sit

down

with

other

people

and

not

only

feel

validated

and

heard
,

but

also

again

to

feel

like
,

okay
,

I'm

not

the

only

one

who's

walked

through

this
,

I'm

not

crazy
,

I'm

not

doing

it
.

Speaker 2
10:11

You

know

100%
.

I

mean
,

I

think

the

amount

of

us

that

have

been

told

that

it's

in

our

head

or

that

we

just

need

to

see

a

psychologist

or

go

on

antidepressants

is

wild
.

That

word

crazy

is

such

a

trigger

word

for

me

because

I

feel

like

I've

been

called

crazy

my

whole

life
.

I've

been

dismissed
.

Speaker 2
10:37

My

entire

life

I've

been

criticized
,

I've

been

not

believed

by

you

know
,

friends
,

family
,

employers
,

doctors
.

You

know

you

name

it

because

it's

an

invisible

disease

that

you

can't

see
,

and

so

when

we

can't

see

things
,

we

just

automatically

think

that

there's

something

mentally

wrong

with

the

person
.

Right
,

that

there's

something

mentally

wrong

with

the

person

and

the

tremendous

amount

of

damage

that

that

does
.

You

carry

it

throughout

life

and

into

adulthood

and

even

when
,

if

you're

lucky

enough

to

raise

your

own

children
,

you

question

yourself
.

It's

something

that

I've

been

focusing

on

a

lot

lately
.

I

think

sort

of

in

this

next

chapter

in

my

life
,

like

I'm

in

menopause

now

and

my

son

is

going

to

be

18
.

Like

there's

all

that

like

midlife

stuff

sort

of

happening
.

But

I'm

really

reflecting

back

on

all

of

the

words
,

all

of

the

things

that

have

been

said

that

have

been

super

damaging

and

only

because

of

people's

you

know
,

outside

judgment

or

criticism

over

something

that

can't

be

seen
.

Speaker 1
11:50

Yeah
,

and

it's

hard

because

they

can't

see

it
,

they

can't

feel

it
.

Therefore
,

it

must

not

be

real
,

right
,

and

that's

so

harmful

because

many

things

are

on

scene
.

Many

things

are

on

scene
.

I

mean
,

you

look

at

social

media

and

it

has

its

place

and

it

can

be

very

good
.

But

again
,

you

look

at

social

media

for

those

that

put

a

really

pretty

picture

on

there

but

maybe

are

suffering

in

the

depths
,

you

know
,

and

it's

very

similar

to

this

disease
.

Speaker 1
12:17

I

think

that

I

don't

know

about

you
,

but

for

me

there

are

moments

that

I

have

had

to

put

on

a

brave

face
,

put

on

a

happy

face
,

and

no

one

would

know

that

I

was

in

so

much

pain

and

I

would

even

say

sometimes

still

in

that

pain
.

When

it

comes

to

I

have
,

you

know
,

same

thing

menopause
,

it's

been

wonderfully

horrible
,

that's

such

a

good

way

to

put

it
.

I

mean

it's

been

great

I

don't

have

the

endomiosis

symptoms

anymore
,

I

don't

have

the

endosymptoms
.

But

man
,

there's

all

these

other

things

I

have

to

deal

with

now

and

trying

to

understand

those

things
.

But

sometimes

you

have

to

put

on

a

brave

face

just

to

make

it

through

the

day
,

whether

you

want

to

or

not
,

and

you

still

sometimes

have

to

live

life
,

and

I

think

that's

what's

hard

is

we

can

only

do

that

so

much

before

it

really

impacts

our

lives

and

our

quality

of

life

and

our

outcome

long

term
.

And

so

to

not

be

believed
,

to

not

be

heard
,

to

not

be

seen
,

man
,

it

takes

a

toll

on

all

of

us

to

not

be

seen
,

man
.

Speaker 2
13:29

It

takes

a

toll

on

all

of

us
.

Yeah
,

totally

what

you

said

before

about

us

needing

to
,

you

know
,

connect

on

that

level

with

other

people

because

they

understand

it
.

It's

interesting

to

me
,

like

how

I've

met

people

within

this

community

and

I

recently

did

a

below

the

belt

event

and

a

bunch

of

them

came

and
,

like

you

know
,

we're

friends

online
,

right
,

we

like

each

other

based

on

what

we

post

and

we

really

don't

know

each

other

very

well

at

all
,

but

there's

such

a

sense

of

community

when

you

meet

somebody

else

that

has

this

diagnosis
.

It's

just

like

an

instant

connection

between

you

and

that

person
,

which

has

been

incredibly

helpful

when

it

comes

to

mental

health

and

healing

and

not

feeling

alone

because

it

is

a

lonely

disease
.

Speaker 2
14:22

And

a

lot

of

people

will

say

well
,

even

though

I

know

that

there's

lots

of

us

out

there
,

I

still

feel

very

isolated

and

alone
.

And

that's

true

because

every

one

of

our

situations

is

very

different

in

the

ways

of

what

we've

experienced

from

doctors

and

just

our

cases
,

our

degree

of

disease
.

Speaker 2
14:40

But
,

there's

so

many

positive

things

that

I've

found

about

sharing

my

story

and

the

community

response
,

because

there

are

definitely

days

where

I

feel

like

no

one

else

gets

it

and

I

will

share

the

hard

stuff

and

I

try

not

to

focus

so

much

on

that
.

But

there

are

days

where

it

is

really

hard
.

There

are

days

where

you

physically

just

can't

function

just

getting

up

to

go

to

the

bathroom
.

It

takes

a

lot

of

energy

and

there's

a

lot

of

guilt

and

shame

attached

to

that
,

like

I

often

feel

that

way
.

I

recently

had

a

day

where

I

just

was

beyond

exhausted

and

I

had

to
,

you

know
,

cancel

my

plans

and

you

do

feel
,

you

just

feel

crappy

all

around

when

it

comes

to

dealing

with

this
.

You

know

there's

so

many

different

emotional
,

mental

components

to

having

a

chronic

illness
.

Speaker 1
15:45

Yep
,

absolutely
,

and

I

think

what

you

said

about

having

that

community

is

key

and

I

talk

about

this

all

the

time
.

I

talk

about

how

important

community

is

and

you

will

never

find

a

community

who

gets

you

more

than

those

in

the

endo

community
,

because

we've

experienced

Uncovering Health Disparities for Women

Speaker 1
15:58

it
.

We've

been

called

lazy

because

we're

so

tired
.

I

was

called

that

for

the

longest

time
,

even

as

a

kid
.

I

remember

wanting

to

for

the

longest

time
.

Even

as

a

kid
,

I

remember

wanting

to

sleep

all

the

time

and

I'm

looking

back

at

it

and

I'm

more

aware

now

of

what

not

to

say

or

do

to

my

kids

if

they're

feeling

a

certain

way

because

of

what

I

went

through
.

But

also

just

looking

at

the

times
,

like

you

said
,

the

nurse

saying

you

won't

have

to

worry

about

endometriosis

Same

thing
.

I

had

that

very

same

thing
.

Yes
,

I

was

fortunate

to

be

able

to

have

kids
,

but

it

wasn't

easy

and

it

didn't

go

away
.

It

didn't

solve

the

issues
.

In

fact
,

it

made

it

worse

in

a

lot

of

ways
.

For

me

it

did
,

and

I

no

same
.

Speaker 2
16:41

That's

exactly

like

my

pregnancy

was

really

hard
.

It

was

really

really

rough

and

essentially
,

oddly

enough
,

like

getting

pregnant
.

Having

my

son

was

a

tipping

point

for

my

problems
.

Like

it

started
,

it

plummeted
,

my

health

plummeted

and

you

know

that

was

a

scary
,

scary

time
.

I

had

a

brand

new

baby
.

People

still

weren't

listening

to

me
,

people

were

still

calling

me

crazy

and

then

I

ended

up

with

the

misdiagnosis

of

cancer
.

So

the

pregnancy

for

me

like

all

those

hormones

in

the

body

and

everything

I

felt

like

it

revved

everything

up

and

it

is

something

that

again

like

I

attach

the

pain

and

the

trauma

of

endo

to

the

birth

of

my

son

Because

it

was

incredibly

traumatic

the

night

before

I

had

him
.

That

is

something

I've

been

working

on

for

almost

18

years

is

sort

of

how

you

detach

like

something

that

was

so

traumatic

and

life

altering

to

something

so

wonderful

and

a

miracle
.

You

know

it's

really

hard
.

Speaker 1
17:54

Mm
,

hmm
,

I

hadn't

really

thought

of

that

before
.

That's

a

really

great

point

to

make
.

Not

that

you

wanted

to

make

it
,

but

I

think

it's

important

to

highlight

it
.

I

didn't

put

that

together
,

that

the

correlation

between

something

so

wonderful

catapulting

something

so

awful
.

Speaker 2
18:12

Yeah
,

it

really
,

it

really

did
,

and

it's

it's

like

the

irony
,

I

guess
.

But

you

know
,

I

think

there's

got

to

be

other

women

who

have

similar

experiences

in

terms

of

having

a

very

uncomfortable

pregnancy
,

and

that

also

has

made

me

sort

of

carry
,

you

know
,

a

sense

of

loss

or

grief
,

because

I

feel

like

I

wasn't

able

to

enjoy

that

time

and

all

of

those

moments

that

you

sort

of

picture

in

your

head

while

being

pregnant

and

then

after

delivery
,

because

I

was

struggling

so

hard

to

just

be

well

enough

to

take

care

of

him
.

So
,

you

know
,

I

feel

like

we

don't
.

We

definitely

don't

talk

enough

about

postpartum
,

obviously
,

either
,

but

we

definitely

don't

talk

about

the

effects

on

women's

bodies

when

they

have

endometriosis

and

they're

pregnant
,

like

it

would

be

interesting

to

see
,

statistically

and

research

wise
,

like
,

how

many

people

with

endo

see

an

increased

risk

in

either

morning

sickness

or

that
.

Speaker 2
19:23

To

me

would

be

super

important

because
,

like
,

what

effects

does

that

have

on

the

fetus

and
,

you

know
,

mentally

on

on

mom

while

this

is

all

happening
,

to

her

body

and

her

hormones
?

So

hopefully

we're

talking

yeah
,

but

yeah
,

my
,

my

brain

sort

of

goes

back

to

all

of

those

things

that

I

wish

could

have

been

happier

times
.

Speaker 1
19:50

Yeah
,

the

first

endometriosis

summit

I

went

to
.

I

had

the

privilege

of

walking

into

Epcot

with

Dr

David

Redwine

and

we

had

this

conversation

actually
.

Speaker 2
20:02

And
.

Speaker 1
20:03

I

asked

him
.

I

said

you

know
,

why

do

you

think

it

is

that

some

women

with

endometriosis

really

struggle

during

pregnancy

and

they

feel

awful

and

then

others

feel

fantastic
.

It's

like

the

first

time

their

symptoms

turn

on

or

off
.

And

he

said
,

you

know
,

there's

just

not

a

lot

out

there

that

indicates

one

way

or

the

other
.

He

goes

it's

likely

a

hormonal

thing

and

where

the

endometriosis

is

in

your

body

and

the

inflammation

you

know
,

and

where

it's

inflamed

and

what

it's

affecting
.

And

so

it

was

just
.

I

will

always

cherish

that

time

to

sit

down

and

have

that

conversation

with

him

because

he

was

so

honest

and

real

about

just

the

effects

of

endometriosis

on

many

people

who
,

in

various

forms

of

life
,

have

struggled
.

But

that

specific

topic

was

one

that

I

had

always

questioned
.

And

he

took

the

time

and

just

sat

down

and

said

you

know
,

we

just

don't

know

enough

about

it
.

We

don't

know

enough

about

the

disease

as

it

is
.

And

I

mean

he

did

great

work
,

but

from

that

standpoint

they

couldn't

pinpoint

it
.

I

was

like
,

well
,

golly
,

gee

whiz
.

Speaker 2
21:07

Dr

David

Roadwine

isn't

sure

he

was

such

an

incredible

person

and

I

also

had

a

couple

opportunities

to

speak

with

him

and

hear

him

speak

and

you

know
,

I

feel

like

he's

like

the

father

figure

that

everyone

wishes

that

they

had
,

you

know
,

like

he

just

so

kind

and

so

caring

and

so

genuine

and

such

a

level

of

intelligence

and

reason
,

but

not

unbiased

way
,

something

very

special

about
,

about

that

man
.

But

I'm

thinking

now

because

I'm

in

menopause
,

a

lot

of

my

mindset

has

sort

of

shifted

to

what's

happening

to

our

hormones
.

During

that

time

A

light

bulb

went

off

in

my

head
,

like

you

must

be

either

perimenopause

or

menopause
.

In

the

last

year

I

was

like

this

is

interesting
.

This

is

how

I

felt

postpartum

and

this

is

how

I

felt

when

I

was

on

birth

control
.

So

there's

1000%

of

correlation

between

what

happens

to

the

hormones

when

we're

put

on

birth

control
,

when

we

have

postpartum

and

when

we're

in

menopause
,

and

whether's

the

drop

in

estrogen

or

you

know

all

levels
.

Speaker 2
22:28

I

don't

know
.

But

I'm

hopeful
,

with

all

of

the

new

research

and

information

coming

out

about

menopause
,

that

we'll

sort

of

be

able

to

use

that

information

and

that

will

help

support

other

theories

within

endometriosis
.

And

you

know
,

pmdd

is

something

that's

sort

of

on

the

rise
,

being

talked

about

more
.

I

100%

had

PMDD

and

again

just

thought

that

I

was

crazy
,

because

it

does

make

you

feel

that

way

and
,

sure

enough
,

people

also

felt

that

way
.

But

you

know
,

that

is

also

something

that

they've

been

looking

into
.

And

now

there

is

a

drug

out

there
.

I

don't

know

the

name

of

it
,

but

I've

heard

rumors

that

there's

a

drug

for

PMDD

and

postpartum
.

Speaker 2
23:17

So
,

I

do

wonder

is

that

something

that

could

help

patients

with

endometriosis

and

also
,

you

know
,

women

in

menopause
?

Speaker 1
23:25

Right

To

clarify
.

Pmdd

is

premenstrual

dysphoric

disorder
,

so

it's

not

PMS
,

it's

on

another

level
.

It's

on

another

level
.

Speaker 2
23:37

I

think

there's

overlapping
.

You

know

it's

probably

a

spectrum

like

everything
,

but

it's

really

severe

depression

symptoms

during

the

week

before

leading

up

until

your

period
.

It's

something

that

I

feel

like

we're

seeing

a

rise

of
.

Speaker 1
23:56

I

think

we're

becoming

more

aware

of

it

too
.

I

think

that

people

are

starting

to

talk

a

lot

more
,

and

I

think

this

is

where

it's

important

to

understand

the

value

of

social

media
,

if

you

can

use

it

for

good
,

because
,

as

a

whole
,

women's

health

and

I

say

women's

in

the

sense

that

that's

how

it's

categorized
,

but

in

women's

health

it

has

been

very

misunderstood
.

There

hasn't

been

a

lot

of

research

towards

women's

health

in

general
.

They're

for

a

long

time

had

a

very

misogynistic

viewpoint

in

medicine

and

still

does
,

I

think
,

a

lot

in

research

and

in

the

health

industry
,

and

so
,

for

women's

health

specifically
,

our

role

was

to

produce

children

and

take

care

of

a

house

for

years
,

right

and

so

there

was

no

point

in

looking

at

any

other

symptoms

or

any

other

ways

that

women

would

benefit

from

medical

care
,

even

though

we

are

the

highest

consumers

of

medical

care
.

Right

and

so
,

but

there's

just

not

the

research

for

that
,

there's

not

an

understanding

for

that
.

Speaker 1
24:58

So

I

think

at

this

point
,

people

are

standing

up
,

and

I'm

not

saying

women
,

just

women

are

standing

up

for

this
.

I'm

saying

people

in

general

are

standing

up
,

saying

this

isn't

right
,

like

we've

got

to

take

a

bigger

picture
,

and

social

media

has

played

a

large

part

in

that
.

Again
,

we

have

to

be

careful

what

we

look

at

on

social

media

and

understanding

it
,

because

that

can

perpetuate

a

much

bigger

issue

if

it's

misunderstood

or

if

it's

not

correct
.

But

I

do

have

to

say

I

think

that

there's

the

shift

in

dynamics

between

us

sitting

back

and

being

okay

with

whatever

comes

our

way
.

They

get

to

it
,

they

get

to

it
.

If

they

don't
,

they

don't

Into
.

We've

got

to

do

better
,

we

deserve

better

and

I

think

that

is

shifting
.

I

mean
,

I

don't

know
,

in

your

opinion
,

if

you've

seen

that
,

but

I

think

there

is

a

shift
.

Speaker 2
25:42

Yeah
,

I

completely

agree

with

you
.

And

who's

to

say

how

big

that

shift

is
?

I

think

I'm

trying

to

be

very

optimistic

in

thinking

that

we

do

have

sort

of

this

rising

happening

right

now

from

a

lot

of

people

from

a

lot

of

different

backgrounds

and

beliefs

sort

of

stepping

up

and

saying

no
,

this

isn't

right

and

we

need

to

change

this
.

I

mean

I

feel

like

we

have

a

lot

of

power
.

I

think

we

need

more

people

to

join

in

and

help

to

support

that
,

because

it

does

sort

of

almost

feel

like

five

steps

forward
,

10

steps

back

at

times
.

I've

been

involved

with

the

Connecticut

legislation

for

endometriosis

for

the

last

two

years

and

I

actually

had

a

phone

call

this

morning

with

someone

from

the

health

department

and

talking

about

updating

our

education

sex

head

in

schools

here

in

Connecticut
,

where

I

live
,

at

least

it's

not

mandated
.

Certain

things

aren't

mandated
,

which

was

really

interesting

to

find

out

the

fact

that

we

aren't

teaching

girls

about

their

full

anatomy

um

and

in

high

school

is

super

disturbing

because

it's

such

a

disservice

like

Like
.

Speaker 2
27:04

I

feel

that

if

you

educate

someone

about

their

body
,

that

the

delay

in

diagnosis

will

be

drastically

lower
,

because

if

they

know

what

their

body

parts

are

and

how

their

organs

work

and

function
,

then

they'll

know

if

something

isn't

right
.

You

know
,

or

quote
,

unquote

normal
,

but

right

now

we

just

teach

about

menstruation

on

a

basic

level

and

then

internal

anatomy
.

So
,

for

instance
,

in

a

junior

health

class

they're

getting

male

anatomy

and

then

they're

getting

the

ovaries
,

the

uterus
,

fallopian

tubes

and

possibly

cervix
,

and

it's

left

up

to

the

teacher

and

the

district
,

the

town

and

the

state

in

terms

of

what

they

teach
.

So

there's

no

like

mandates

and

this

is
.

You

know
,

we're

in

more

of

a

liberal

state
,

so

I

can't

imagine

other

states

probably

aren't

teaching

anything
.

Speaker 1
28:03

But

it's

pretty

wild

that

we

aren't

educating

young

girls
,

women
,

about

their

bodies

and

how

they

work

and

what

their

anatomy

is

body

changing

curriculum

with

my

daughter

that

they

did

at

the

school

and

they

actually

did

a

fairly

decent

job
,

talking

about

the

smells

that

are

going

to

start

producing
,

and

they've

talked

about

the

hormones

and

the

pheromones
,

and

they've

talked

about
,

you

know
,

what

your

body

does

in

preparation

for
,

prepare

for

having

a

child
,

or

talks

about

all

these

Shifting Women's Health Education Focus

Speaker 1
28:43

different

things
.

Speaker 1
28:43

The

one

thing

that

I

was

like

who

I

can't
,

I

need

to

get

into

the

school

was

they

were

talking

about

if

you

have

a

painful

period
,

you

can

take

an

Advil

or

talk

to

your

provider
,

and

I

was

like

no
,

no
,

no
,

no
,

we

need

to

be

a

little

bit

more

specific
.

Yeah
,

that's

it
.

Yeah
,

yeah
,

be

specific

about

that
,

be

a

little

bit

more

assertive

and

saying

if

you

have

really

painful

periods
,

you

need

to

see

a

provider

that

understands

that

it

could

be

X
,

y

and

Z
,

and

I

think

we

don't

do

that

because

providers

themselves

don't

know

enough

about

it
,

and

that

goes

back

to

the

education

that

a

lot

of

these

providers

receive

is

not

great
,

and

so

I

think

there

is

an

element

of

that
,

at

least

for

our

state

and

our

school
.

Speaker 2
29:32

We

actually

I

feel

like

they

did

a

fairly

decent

job

for

a

fourth

grader
,

helping

them

understand

that
.

But

I

think

we're

so

far

away

from

that

happening
,

you

know
,

just

because

of

everything

else

that's

happening
.

But

I

think

that

it's

so

important

because

had

someone

told

me

that

pain

wasn't

normal

and

my

first

period

I

was

in

pretty

horrible

pain
,

like

I

could

have

been

a

game

changer
.

Speaker 2
30:01

You

know
,

if

it

didn't

take

me

24

years

to

be

diagnosed
,

maybe

I

wouldn't

have

gone

through

all

the

trauma

that

I

have
.

And

government

and

at

a

federal

level
,

because

the

amount

of

money

that

is

spent

in

medical

care

for

endometriosis

is

just

wild
.

I

have

really

just

no

understanding

of

why

this

disease

has

been

just

completely

unrecognized

for

so

long
.

But

I

do

feel

like

we

have

some

really

amazing

people

fighting

for

awareness

on

this

and

I

do

feel

hopeful

that

we'll

be

able

to

piggyback

on

this

whole

push

for

menopause

awareness
.

You

know

it's

a

bipartisan

issue
.

It

affects

more

than

half

the

population
.

So

I'm

looking

forward

to

seeing

what

ends

up

happening

with

the

Women's

Health

Initiative

and

if

endometriosis

gets

any

funding

from

that
.

We

are

on

the

list
,

like

we

are

named
.

Speaker 1
31:18

So

that's
,

positive
.

Speaker 2
31:20

But

what

we'll

actually

get
?

Speaker 1
31:22

we

don't

know
,

and

that's

what

is

hard
,

and

that's

what

you're

talking

about

the

five

steps

forward
,

10

steps

back
,

feeling

you

know

we

can

be

on

the

list

but

it

could

be

completely

misrepresented
.

And

that

is

what

is

challenging

about

advocacy

and

when

we're

talking

about

the

challenge

of

making

sure

that

good

education

gets

out

there
.

This

is

why

Because

the

legislative

piece

plays

a

huge

part

in

our

care

and

a

huge

part

in

our

education

starting

at

a

very

young

age
.

It's

not

just

to

get

diagnosed

by

the

time

that

you're

16
.

So

you

can

be

diagnosed

when

you

start

having

symptoms

at
,

say
,

age

9

or

10
,

or

even

as

you

start

your

period

at

13
,

so

that

you

don't

have

to

go

through

so

much

trauma

to

get

to

where

you

have

somewhat

of

a

balanced

and

fulfilling

life

where

you're

not

constantly

fighting

to

survive

and

a

lot

of

us

doility
.

Speaker 2
32:28

I

think

maybe

a

lot

of

light

bulbs

would

go

off

for

people

you

know
,

there
,

there's

a

lot

of

people

that

are

trying

to

have

babies
.

There

are

a

lot

of

people

that

want

to

have

babies

and

and

can't
,

and

maybe

that's

because

they

weren't

diagnosed

at

12

or

13
,

you

know
,

and

it's

been

20

years

and

they

haven't

successfully

been

able

to

get

pregnant

and

no

one

can

figure

out

why
.

So

it's

just

completely

irrational

thinking

that

we

aren't

educating

women

about

their

bodies

and

how

they

work

and

what

is

quote

unquote

normal

and

what

is

not
.

Speaker 1
33:11

Which

leads

me

to

my

next

point
,

because

you've

lived

through

this

whole

life

going

through

multiple

surgeries
.

Then

you

started

a

social

media

page

and

your

social

media

handle

is

Miss

Endo

Stud
.

Speaker 1
33:24

Yes
,

and

that's

why

I

feel

like

this

is

so

important
,

because

your

journey

took

you

to

where

you

are

now
.

You

have

this

social

media

that

you

talk

a

lot

about
,

this
,

you

advocate

on

your

social

media
.

But

beyond

your

social

media
,

what

has

really

propelled

you

to
?

Not

just

your

journey

propelled

you

to

what

you're

doing

now
,

but

what

was

a

poignant

point

in

your

life

that

you

were

like

I

need

to

do

something

about

this

and

talk

about

this
?

Speaker 2
33:48

So
,

let's

see
,

almost

six

years

ago

was

my

first

surgery

with

an

endometriosis

specialist
,

and

it

was

like

maybe

two

days

before

surgery

that

I

decided

that

I

was

going

to

start

posting

and

recording

and

sharing

my

journey
,

and

I

think

at

that

point

endometriosis

really

didn't

have

a

presence

on

social

media
.

There

were

some

accounts

here

and

there
,

but

I

figured

I

was

going

to

share

because

I

had

no

idea

how

I

was

going

to

wake

up
.

I

was

going

in

for

a

surgery

that

could

have

a
,

you

know
,

potential

of

me

waking

up

with

a

cystoscopy

bag
,

having

a

stroma

bag

meaning
,

like

my

intestines
,

my

bowels

weren't

working
.

Speaker 1
34:41

There

was

a

lot

of

risk
.

Speaker 2
34:42

I

had

no

idea

how

I

was

going

to

come

out

of

that

surgery

and

I

sort

of

was

like

well
,

you

know
,

I'm

going

to

document
.

However
,

it

is

that

I

wake

up
.

That's

really

what

propelled

me

forward

Surgery Without a Game Plan

Speaker 2
34:56

.

It

was

just

the

idea

that

there

wasn't

a

plan
.

There

was

an

idea
,

a

suspicion
,

but

that

there

wasn't
.

You

know
,

oh
,

we

see

that

there's
,

you

know
,

a

piece

of

metal
.

We'll

say

in

your

abdomens
,

we're

going

to

go

in

and

we're

going

to

take

it

out

and

this

is
,

you

know
.

And

then

you're

just

like
,

oh
,

okay
,

great
,

and

then

I'm

going

to

be

healed
,

right
,

this

was

like
,

well
,

we

can't

really

tell

from

imaging
,

and

your

blood

work's

not

giving

us

any

answers
,

and

your

blood

work's

not

giving

us

any

answers
,

but

we

are

going

to

put

you

under

and

potentially

you

could

wake

up

with

the

loss

of

quality

of

life

or

you

have

the

potential

to

wake

up

and

have

gained

better

quality

of

life

because

of

what

we

can

do
.

Speaker 2
35:43

So

that
,

to

me
,

is

wild
.

It's

wild

that

we

go

under

the

knife

with

really

no

game

plan
,

you

know
,

no

sort

of

like

mapped

out

scenario
.

It's

it's

like

hide

and

seek
.

It's

like

you

know
,

we'll

see

what

we

find

when

we

get

in

there
.

So

you

know
,

I

wonder

how

many

people

have

woken

up

and

had

bowel

resections

and

didn't

expect

to

have

one

at

all
.

Something

inside

of

me

really

made

me

feel

like

that

was

there

was

a

potential

there
,

but

then

there

was

still

such

a

great

shock

when

I

did

wake

up

from

that
.

So

it's

just

all

of

it

is

just

wild
.

Speaker 2
36:24

It's

wild

to

me

that

there's

so

much

unknown

and

yet

so

many

people

are

so

desperate

that

you

know

they'll

go

under

the

knife

with

no

information
.

And

it's

even

scarier
.

And

having

been

one

of

those

people

who

was

like

not

informed

enough

and

had

surgery

with

someone

that

wasn't

a

specialist
,

that's

even

crazier

to

me
.

You

know
,

now
,

now

thinking

back

about

it
,

I'm

like
,

all

right
,

he

did

a

lot

of

damage
,

but

I'm

really

grateful

that

he

didn't

do

say

like

X
,

y

and

Z

or

he

didn't

take

my

ovaries

at

that

time

I

was

really

against

my

ovaries

being

taken
.

I

at

least

had

enough

information

about

how

my

hormones

worked

that

I

didn't

ever

agree

to

them

being

taken
.

But

yeah
,

back

to

the

healing
.

Like

sharing

my

story

has

helped

me

and

has

made

me

realize

that

you

know

there

are

lots

and

lots

of

other

people

who

have

also

gone

through

the

trauma

of

diagnosis

and

surgery
.

Speaker 1
37:25

Yeah
.

Has

this

shifted

the

way

that

you

do

life

in

helping

other

people
?

Speaker 2
37:31

Yeah
,

it's

shifted

my

mindset

a

lot
.

You

know

they

always

sort

of

say

that

like

when

you

go

through

trauma
,

you

know

you're

obviously

changed

and

I

felt

that

it

was

super

important

to

take

my

pain

and

turn

it

into

power
,

like

use

my

story

and

suffering

to

bring

awareness

and

to

practice

gratitude
.

I

know

that

sounds

like

cheesy

to

people

and

we've

all

like

seen

those

you

know

gratitude

signs

and

home

goods

or

TJ
.

Speaker 2
38:00

Maxx

yeah
,

it's

a

real
.

It's

a

real

thing
.

I

look

at

every

single

person

I

encounter

on

a

daily

basis

who's

a

stranger

and

there's

something

in

the

back

of

my

head

that

just

always

is

on

repeat
,

like

you

have

no

idea

what

they're

going

through
.

You

have

no

idea

you

know

what

trauma

they've

experienced

or

are

currently

experiencing
.

It's

given

me

a

perspective

because

of

not

looking

like

I'm

ill

really

made

me

think

deeply

about

just

how

you

never

really

truly

know

what

someone's

going

through
.

Speaker 2
38:38

And

so

therefore
,

I

treat

every

person

with

kindness

and

respect
,

because

of

that

so

it's
.

It's

created

a

certain

like

level

of

peace

and

kindness

inside

of

me

through

going

through

this

Just

a

level

of

understanding

and

just

1,000%

judgment

free
.

Speaker 1
38:56

Yeah
,

it's

crazy

how

an

angry

body

can

make

you

see

humanity

very
,

very

differently
.

It's

interesting

that

you

say

that

because

I

feel

like

I

have

been

more

educated

on

the

different

walks

of

life
,

the

different

kinds

of

people

that

encounter

different

struggles
,

and

looking

at

them

as

a

person

that

just

needs

more

understanding

and

love

as

opposed

to

judgment
.

I

think

that's

a

key

and

I

think

that

this

disease
,

as

weird

as

it

sounds
,

has

opened

my

eyes

to

a

lot

of

that
,

has

opened

my

eyes

to

the

traumas

others

face

and

has

opened

my

eyes

to

the

struggles

that

other

people

face

and

doesn't

allow

me

to

sit

back

and

be

blind

to

all

of

that
.

And

I

think

it

has

helped

grow

me

as

a

person

and

it's

helped

me

grow

my

purpose

I

don't

know

if

you've

experienced

that

as

well

Like

this

disease

has

grown

my

purpose

in

life
.

Speaker 2
39:54

Oh
,

100%
.

Speaker 2
39:56

It's

like

I

love

to

hear

you

say

that
,

because

at

this

point

I

have

been

a

hairstylist

and

makeup

artist

for

over

20

years

and

I'm

feeling

like

a

shift

in

what

direction

I

want

to

go

in

in

life

like

still

taking

care

of

people

and

helping

them

feel

good

about

themselves
,

but

on

a

different

level

now

than

just

like

surface

level
,

and

I

100%

know

what

a

privilege

it

is

that

I

have

had

access

to

care
.

I

100%

can

relate

to

the

person

who

is

dismissed

or

ignored

or

waits

hours

upon

hours

in

the

emergency

room

because

of

being

on

state

health

insurance
,

as

a

single

mom

was

on

state

assistance

and

the

treatment

that

I

received

was

so

poor

it

was
.

You

know
,

you're

completely

judged

and

it's

just

a

lack

of

empathy

and

understanding
.

And

I'm

a

white

woman
,

so

I

often

think

about

the

fact

that

I

live

within

close

proximity

to

New

York
,

so

therefore
,

you

know

I

could

take

a

train

and

go

see

a

specialist
.

I

have

a

certain

level

of

education

and

ability

to

research

and

educate

myself

and

find

good

resources

and

the

correct

information
.

Advocating for Endometriosis Awareness

Speaker 2
41:23

And

that's

not

always

the

case
.

I

think

that

there's

a

very

small

percentage

of

people

with

endometriosis

that

are

able

to

access

the

type

of

quality

and

the

level

of

care

that

is

needed

to

properly

remove

this

disease
.

And
,

having

essentially

been

on

both

sides

of

the

playing

field
,

I've

seen

the

treatment

that

you

get

from

a

top

endometriosis

specialist
.

I

see

that

care
.

I've

been

able

to

fight

health

insurance

to

receive

that

care
.

Speaker 1
41:56

But

not

everyone

can

do

that
.

Speaker 2
41:59

And

then

I've

also

been

left

in

waiting

rooms

and

been

accused

of

opioid

seeking

and

having

mental

health

issues

and

that

being

my

reason
,

and

when

I

had

state

health

insurance
,

I

was

lucky

enough

to

have

known

somebody

who

was

working

in

the

hospital

one

day

when

I

was

there

and

had

been

sitting

in

debilitating

blackout

pain

in

the

waiting

room

for

like

six

hours
,

and

my

mom

called

them

and

they

came

down

to

check

on

me

and

it

was

amazing

because

their

scrubs

were

a

certain

color
.

Speaker 2
42:34

It

identified

them

as

being

part

of

anesthesia

and

the

reaction

that

I

got

from

other

providers

when

that

person

spoke

to

me

was

wild
,

was

just

absolutely

wild
,

was

wild
,

it

was

just

absolutely

wild
.

And

I

immediately

was

taken

into

a

room

and

she

whispered

to

me

are

you

on

state

health

insurance
?

And

I

looked

at

her

and

I

said

no
,

I

said

I

was
.

I

said

but

I

have

private

insurance

now

and

she

goes

well

in

the

system

it

still

says

that

you

have

state

health

insurance
.

And

I

looked

at

her

and

I

was

like

state

health

insurance
?

And

I

looked

at

her

and

I

was

like

is

that

why

I

was

left

in

the

corner

for

six

hours
,

like

the

things

that

I

have

witnessed
,

seen
,

experienced

within

healthcare
,

with

having

this

disease
.

I

need

to

write

a

book
.

I

mean
,

it's

wild

the

mistreatment

that

people

get

and
,

like

I

said
,

I'm

a

white

woman
,

so

it's

crazy
.

Speaker 1
43:35

Yeah
,

absolutely

Absolutely
,

it

is
.

I've

said

this

before

I

live

in

a

very

predominantly

white

world
.

Where

I

live
,

there's

not

a

lot

of

diversity
,

although

it

is

changing

a

little

bit
.

Where

I

live
,

there's

not

a

lot

of

diversity
,

although

it

is

changing

a

little

bit
,

and

so

I

just

wasn't

aware

of

a

lot

of

it

because

I

am

not

exposed

to

a

lot

of

it
.

And

it

wasn't

until

I

started

doing

the

podcast
,

until

I

started

really

looking

into

endometriosis

advocacy
,

that

I

really

recognized

that

the

disparities

are

large
.

Speaker 1
44:04

When

it

comes

to

different

walks

of

life
,

different

races
,

different

ethnicities
,

all

of

it
,

belief

systems
,

religions
,

you

name

it
,

there

just

tends

to

be

a

lot

of

people

not

being

treated

like

people
,

and

that

bothered

me

so

much
.

So

I'm

glad

I'm

learning

Again
.

Having

a

chronic

illness

has

taught

me

a

lot
.

It's

taught

me

a

lot

about

life
.

It's

taught

me

a

lot

about

people
.

It's

taught

me

a

lot

about

myself
,

and

I

think

we

can

grow

and

build

off

of

our

experiences

and

off

of

our

knowledge

to

create

better

change

for

everyone
.

Speaker 1
44:43

And

you're

doing

a

great

job

at

not

sitting

down

and

being

silent

when

you

know

that

that's

not

within

you
.

You're

stepping

up

into

a

space

that

is

not

always

easy

to

be

vulnerable

on
.

It's

not

always

easy

to

walk

into

a

legislative

house

and

talk

about

things
.

It's

not

always

easy

to

speak

up

on

something

that's

controversial
,

and

you're

putting

yourself

in

that

position

to

do

so

with

a

greater

purpose

beyond

yourself
,

and

so

I

putting

yourself

in

that

position

to

do

so

with

a

greater

purpose

beyond

yourself
,

and

so

I

just

appreciate

you

doing

that
.

Speaker 2
45:13

Oh
,

thank

you
.

That

means

a

lot
.

And

you

know
,

I

have

to

say

there's

something

that

has

been

inside

me

since

I

was

a

little

girl

I

guess

I'll

say

some

sort

of

fire
,

this

little

fiery

piece

of

me

that

has

sort

of

always

spoken

up

or

been

outspoken
,

if

that's

how

people

want

to

refer

to

it
.

I

never

saw

the

difference

in

color
,

I

never

saw

the

difference

in

gender
.

Speaker 2
45:42

I

definitely

struggled

with

little

boys

when

I

was

a

little

girl
,

because

I

wasn't

gonna

just

stay

in

the

kitchen

or

stay

playing

with

the

dollhouse
,

like

I

thought

that

the

playing

field

was

level
,

and

I

started

to

notice

as

I

got

even

older

that

that

was

like

frowned

upon

and

that

there

was

pushback

from

men

and

women

because

there

was

something

in

me

that

was

different

and

that

was

opinionated

and

was

I'm

passionate

and

I

don't

really

know

how

else

to

be
.

I

guess

you

know

I'm

unapologetically

me
.

It

means

a

lot

to

hear

you

say

that

as

someone

who

just

met

me

but

can

see

that

and

appreciate

that
,

because

it's

literally

something

I

don't

think
.

Speaker 1
46:36

I

can

turn

off
.

Speaker 2
46:36

I

don't

want

to

turn

off

and

at

the

same

time
,

it

definitely

is

something

that's

always

been

in

the

back

of

my

head

in

terms

of

my

self-esteem
,

because

I've

gotten

a

lot

of

criticism

and

judgment

for

speaking

out

and

for

sharing
,

and

I

don't

really

understand

that
.

But

it

is

something

that

sort

of

comes

with

the

territory
,

I

think
,

when

you

step

outside

the

box

and

you

discuss

things

that

are

uncomfortable
.

Speaker 1
47:06

Yeah
,

it's

so

true
,

but

those

are

the

ones

that

make

the

biggest

impact
.

I'm

just

going

to

tell

you

that

you

know

when

you're

doing

advocacy

out

loud
,

if

you're

not

ruffling

feathers
,

are

we

changing

a

lot
?

I
?

Speaker 1
47:16

don't

know

you

don't

have

to

be

a

public

speaker

to

make

change

and

be

loud
.

You

don't

have

to

be

someone

that

is

vocal
,

even

on

social

media
,

to

be

loud
.

I'm

not

saying

that

that's

where

the

loudness

comes
.

It's

in

speaking

up

for

those

who

are

struggling

to

speak

for

themselves

because

they

are

in

so

much

pain

or

they're

not

in

a

position

to

do

so
.

To

create

that

change
,

you

have

to

be

able

to

speak

up
.

Speaker 2
47:42

Yeah
,

and

I

think

that

there

is

such

a

high

percentage

of

people

that
,

going

back

to

the

bias

and

the

inequalities
,

like

they

don't

have

that

ability

or

don't

have

that

personality

to

do

so
.

So

you

know
,

I'd

rather

take

being

told

that

I'm

too

much

or

I'm

dramatic

or

crazy

I'll

accept

it
,

but

I'd

rather

hear

all

those

things

and

continue

to

do

whatever

it

is

that

I'm

doing
,

because

there

are

a

fraction
,

a

very

small

percentage

of

us

who

do

have

the

ability

to

do

this

and

I

think

if

we

all

continue

to

share

that

and

use

that

little

fire

inside

of

us
,

that

change

will

occur

in

being

validated

and

being

seen
,

and

everything

else

is

just

impactful
.

Speaker 1
48:35

So

I'm

excited

to

see

what

comes

in

the

future

and

what

your

passions

drive

you

to

do
,

because

I

think

that

it's

going

to

be

something

very

great
.

I

think

you

have

a

lot

of

really

big

moving

greatness

particles

in

you
.

Hopefully

not

full

of

endo
.

I'm

just

saying

that
.

I'm

just

going

to

put

that

out

there

right

now
.

Full

of

endo
.

Speaker 1
49:10

I'm

just

saying

that

I'm

just

gonna

put

that

out

there

right

now
.

All

good
,

all

good
,

healthy

cells

exactly
,

and

as

soon

as

we

all

figure

out

the

hormone

replacement

aspect

of

it

and

how

to

live

without

those

will

be

golden

exactly

exactly

it's

real

it's
.

Speaker 2
49:22

It's

interesting

how

much

menopause

and

endometriosis

like

parallel

oh

yeah

you
.

Speaker 2
49:28

You

know
,

both

understudied
,

under-researched
,

underfunded
,

both

debilitating
.

They

both

affect

quality

of

life
,

they

affect

your

work
,

your

relationship
.

Like

the

statistics

are

probably

the

same

in

a

lot

of

places
,

except

everyone's

going

to

go

through

it
,

versus

like

one

in

nine

or

one

in

10
.

And

I

wouldn't

be

surprised

if

that

statistic

drops

to

like

one

in

five

after

some

research

and

education

is

actually

done
.

But

yeah
,

I

think

that

I

have

a

lot

of

ideas

I

have
.

My

brain

is

swirling

with

thoughts

and

actions

that

I

want

to

take

and

things

I

want

to

push

on
.

I've

recently

had

to

sort

of

take

a

little

bit

of

a

step

back

from

social

media
.

I

had

been

posting

about

my

last

surgery

and
,

you

know
,

sometimes

I

feel

like

there's

so

many

things

I

want

to

say

and

social

media

tells

you

like

not

to

do

that
,

you

know

like

post

at

a

certain

time

and

make

sure

you

share

like

a

story

and

a

reel

about

your

posts
,

and

I

am

just

not

very

savvy

when

it

comes

to

that
.

Speaker 2
50:34

It's

a

full

time

job
.

Yes
,

I

don't

have

time

for
,

but

I

do

have

to

sometimes

take

a

step

back
,

but

at

the

same

time
,

I

also

recognize

how

important

it

is

to

take

time

for

myself
.

And

there's

nobody

out

there

that's

expecting

anything

of

me
,

that

this

isn't

a

paid

gig
.

This

is

me

sharing

my

story
,

but

I

do

have

a

lot

more

thoughts

and

a

lot

more

passion

and

drive

and

things

to

share
.

It's

just

a

matter

of

collecting

it

all

and

not

getting

too

caught

up

in

the

social

media

world

of

endometriosis
.

Speaker 1
51:11

I

completely

get

that
,

and

sometimes

we

have

to

step

back

and

rejuvenate

our

souls

and

rejuvenate

our

energy
,

because

it's

exhausting

to

do

advocacy
,

it's

exhausting

to

put

yourself

out

there

constantly
,

and

I

think

that

the

impact

that

we

have

when

we're

rested

and

we're

ready

and

we've

got

a

fire

in

us

to

go

is

much

greater

than

the

weary
,

and

so

I

think

that's

important

for

me

to

hear

and

to

take

hold

of

as

well
.

I

think

all

of

us

do
.

We

need

to

step

back

sometimes

and

take

a

breath
,

and

that's

OK
,

I

think

it's

warranted
,

and

we

come

back

with

more

fire

in

our

bellies

and

ready

to

go

and

ready

to

continue

our

fight

against

this

disease

and

creating

better

care

for

everyone

with

it
.

So

thank

you
,

arlie
,

for

just

taking

the

time
,

for

being

vulnerable

and

opening

up

to

us

and

sitting

at

the

table

with

me

and

just

allowing

people

to

join

us
.

So

thank

you

so

much

for

doing

that

and

joining

me

today
.

Speaker 2
52:07

Thank

you

so

much

for

inviting

me

to

your

table
.

Speaker 1
52:10

You're

welcome

Anytime
.

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