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Picture this: You’re navigating through the tumultuous seas of chronic illness and grief, while also trying to make sense of the emotions that fuel your anger. It feels like the world is against you, and no one seems to understand what you’re going through. This is the reality for many living with endometriosis and adenomyosis.
Join licensed counselor Shawn Whitney in a heartfelt conversation as we unpack the layers of complicated grief that can feel like double the loss and double the hurt. We discuss the importance of self-compassion, even when gripped by feelings of frustration and anger, and we highlight the need to honor our bodies, irrespective of their state. Shawn shares valuable insights on how to effectively communicate about an invisible illness, validate our experiences, and cope with the grief of not fully participating in relationships and activities due to our health.
In the latter part of our conversation, we touch on the role of relationships in chronic illness. Shawn gives us a peek into his experiences dealing with a partner who has a chronic illness, and we reflect on the enduring nature of love. We also discuss the role of external support, the power of empathy, and the importance of honesty about the illness’s impact. To wrap up, we express our gratitude for the community and the importance of speaking life into those struggling. Join us for this essential and validating discussion and leave feeling seen, heard, and perhaps, a little more hopeful.
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Grief and Trauma in Chronic Illness
Speaker 1
0:03
Welcome
to
Indobattery
,
where
I
share
about
my
endometriosis
and
adenomyosis
story
and
continue
learning
along
the
way
.
This
podcast
is
not
a
substitute
for
professional
medical
advice
or
diagnosis
,
but
a
place
to
equip
you
with
information
and
a
sense
of
community
,
ensuring
you
never
have
to
face
this
journey
alone
.
Join
me
as
I
navigate
the
ups
and
downs
and
share
stories
of
strength
,
resilience
and
hope
.
While
navigating
the
world
of
endometriosis
and
adenomyosis
,
from
personal
experience
to
expert
insights
,
I'm
your
host
,
elana
,
and
this
is
Indobattery
,
charging
our
lives
when
endometriosis
drains
us
.
This
episode
is
dedicated
to
my
brother-in-law
,
tanner
,
when
we
lost
last
week
to
a
three-year-long
battle
with
cancer
.
Speaker 1
0:49
The
thing
about
grief
is
that
it's
not
linear
,
it's
circular
,
it
ebbs
and
flows
,
there's
peaks
and
valleys
and
sometimes
there's
grand
canyons
when
we
don't
want
to
feel
.
There's
also
joy
and
happiness
in
grief
,
and
something
that
I
didn't
recognize
before
is
that
grief
can
reemerge
in
ways
that
we
wouldn't
expect
.
Beyond
the
impeccable
timing
of
this
episode
and
its
recording
,
I've
learned
so
much
more
about
grief
and
what
it
looks
like
,
not
only
in
my
own
personal
journey
with
my
own
chronic
illness
,
but
within
the
loss
of
what
we
thought
would
be
.
I
hope
this
episode
leaves
you
feeling
seen
,
heard
and
maybe
with
just
a
little
bit
more
hope
.
Welcome
back
to
Indobattery
.
Speaker 1
1:35
Today
is
a
day
that
I
think
everyone
needs
.
Maybe
it
challenges
you
,
maybe
you're
feeling
seen
,
maybe
you
feel
like
you
haven't
processed
what
you
have
,
and
that's
because
we're
talking
about
grief
.
So
go
ahead
and
grab
your
cup
of
coffee
,
your
cup
of
tea
and
join
the
conversation
that
I'm
having
with
Sean
Whitney
,
who
is
a
licensed
counselor
.
And
Sean
,
give
us
a
little
bit
about
your
background
and
what
you
do
,
so
that
people
get
to
know
you
a
little
.
Speaker 2
2:02
Sure
.
First
off
,
thanks
so
much
for
having
me
on
the
podcast
.
Speaker 2
2:06
It's
a
privilege
to
be
able
to
join
you
and
,
I
think
,
participate
in
this
conversation
Not
easy
,
as
you
said
,
but
important
.
So
,
as
you
said
,
I'm
a
licensed
marriage
and
family
therapist
.
I
also
have
specialties
as
a
certified
sex
therapist
and
a
medical
family
therapist
and
in
those
roles
,
both
as
a
therapist
and
also
an
instructor
in
the
Marriage
and
Family
Therapy
program
at
CSU
,
I'm
working
with
families
and
students
each
and
every
day
of
my
professional
life
,
trying
to
identify
how
to
address
life's
challenges
.
And
one
of
life's
challenges
,
as
you
said
,
is
grief
and
loss
,
and
we
often
talk
about
those
kind
of
in
concert
with
each
other
,
because
I
think
it's
really
hard
to
experience
loss
without
grief
and
generally
any
form
of
grief
has
some
element
of
loss
to
it
?
Speaker 1
3:04
Yeah
,
and
I
think
what
is
challenging
specifically
with
the
endometriosis
chronic
illness
community
is
that
we
don't
always
associate
grief
as
part
of
our
journey
,
because
what
I
think
we
quintessentially
think
of
as
grief
is
when
we
lose
someone
,
when
we
are
grieving
someone
who
may
not
be
here
.
But
the
reality
is
that
grief
comes
in
all
different
forms
and
fashion
and
I
think
that
sometimes
what
hinders
healing
is
not
processing
grief
,
because
we
hold
on
to
that
so
much
,
our
body
holds
on
to
that
so
much
,
our
mental
state
holds
on
to
that
so
much
.
What
are
some
differences
between
identifying
those
types
of
griefs
chronic
illness
grief
because
we
hear
about
the
different
stages
of
grief
when
it
comes
to
losing
someone
,
but
we
haven't
really
touched
on
what
are
the
stages
of
grief
when
it
comes
to
a
chronic
illness
or
accepting
where
we
are
in
life
and
what
life
has
handed
us
.
Speaker 2
4:12
I
don't
want
to
minimize
the
loss
of
somebody
,
because
that's
significant
,
particularly
by
death
.
The
finality
of
a
loss
is
often
really
difficult
for
us
to
really
deal
with
on
a
variety
of
levels
,
but
I
think
there's
something
unique
around
grief
as
it
relates
to
continuing
life
,
and
particularly
life
with
a
chronic
illness
.
I
call
it
complicated
grief
.
There
is
some
literature
that
uses
that
term
,
but
there's
not
a
lot
of
it
out
there
.
What
it
talks
about
is
similar
to
post-traumatic
stress
,
where
we
can
have
complex
post-traumatic
stress
where
?
Speaker 2
4:52
there's
a
number
of
different
things
that
pile
up
on
top
of
each
other
to
create
a
bit
more
of
a
challenge
in
our
lives
.
I
think
in
a
similar
fashion
.
That's
complicated
grief
the
person
isn't
gone
,
or
I'm
that
person
and
I'm
not
gone
.
The
issue
isn't
visible
.
You
look
fine
,
right
?
Speaker 2
5:17
There
are
a
variety
of
ways
in
which
complicated
grief
,
I
think
,
feels
like
double
the
grief
and
even
double
or
triple
the
loss
,
in
that
we
see
a
groundswell
of
support
.
When
somebody
passes
,
due
to
natural
causes
or
otherwise
,
within
an
average
of
three
to
four
weeks
,
all
of
that
groundswell
of
support
suddenly
falls
away
.
Most
of
the
time
when
we
lose
somebody
to
death
,
there's
a
lot
of
support
,
a
lot
of
thoughts
,
a
lot
of
prayers
,
a
lot
of
gifts
,
a
lot
of
offers
for
help
,
and
then
it
disappears
.
The
thing
about
complicated
grief
is
it
continues
,
right
that
I'm
still
getting
up
the
next
day
and
dealing
with
the
very
thing
that
I
might
have
grieved
yesterday
,
or
I
refused
to
grieve
yesterday
because
of
whatever
reason
.
I
think
that's
what
makes
complicated
grief
so
difficult
for
us
is
that
it
only
compounds
.
It
doesn't
just
go
away
.
Speaker 1
6:28
I
feel
like
that's
true
.
And
then
you
get
the
other
complexity
of
that
,
which
is
trauma
For
a
lot
of
us
,
with
endometriosis
,
adenomyosis
,
pcos
,
really
generally
women's
health
,
which
is
although
we
know
endometriosis
is
not
a
reproductive
issue
women's
health
in
general
,
which
it
largely
affects
cis
women
we
really
struggle
with
.
Okay
,
we've
had
trauma
,
the
care
is
not
there
that
we
need
.
We
are
not
only
dealing
with
the
grief
of
what
we
wish
we
would
have
had
,
or
this
continues
to
hit
us
,
but
then
we're
dealing
with
the
trauma
of
that
.
How
do
we
differentiate
between
trauma
and
grief
?
Speaker 2
7:15
It's
a
lovely
question
,
and
it's
one
that
that
I
have
a
lot
of
conversation
with
my
staff
at
CSU
who
run
our
trauma
center
.
So
we
we
do
a
variety
of
things
,
including
trauma
assessments
and
even
trauma
treatment
,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
Continue
to
come
back
to
is
how
do
we
differentiate
what's
actually
going
on
for
us
in
our
lives
?
Because
trauma
is
one
of
those
things
that
impacts
the
entire
person
yeah
,
emotionally
,
psychologically
,
spiritually
,
relationally
,
sexually
,
you
name
it
right
.
Speaker 2
7:49
It
impacts
us
on
all
levels
,
and
and
grief
can
as
well
,
which
makes
that
differentiation
even
much
more
difficult
for
us
to
make
right
,
and
so
I
I
often
will
say
it's
something
that
we
need
to
pay
attention
to
and
and
maybe
in
time
we'll
get
some
clarity
about
what
it
actually
is
for
us
.
But
the
truth
,
the
matter
is
,
our
body
experiences
trauma
and
grief
very
similarly
.
There's
not
much
differentiation
that
are
that
our
mind
,
or
that
our
body
,
or
even
our
soul
,
for
that
matter
,
can
make
between
what
is
grief
and
loss
and
what
is
trauma
.
Right
,
because
they
present
very
Similarly
when
you're
addressing
the
two
Grief and Trauma in Chronic Illness
Speaker 2
8:34
.
Speaker 1
8:34
do
you
dissect
that
or
do
you
treat
it
and
Address
it
unilaterally
?
Speaker 2
8:41
Hmm
,
good
question
.
I
think
it's
more
the
latter
than
the
former
,
although
I
will
say
that
there
is
value
in
language
.
There
is
value
in
trying
to
identify
and
dissect
,
as
you're
talking
about
what
,
what
is
this
thing
that
I'm
experiencing
,
right
?
So
it's
so
in
that
way
,
yes
,
we
want
to
provide
language
and
clarity
for
what
it
is
that
I'm
dealing
with
in
my
life
.
Speaker 2
9:06
And
Yet
effective
trauma
treatment
is
also
effective
grief
and
loss
treatment
.
It's
acknowledging
what
is
as
Significant
,
and
that's
a
really
important
piece
,
right
,
because
culture
,
maybe
even
my
partner
,
my
parents
,
you
name
it
somebody
significant
in
my
life
,
or
Very
strong
themes
and
messages
that
I've
been
bombarded
with
in
my
life
,
tell
me
otherwise
,
oh
,
you'll
get
over
it
,
or
it's
just
a
bad
day
.
Tomorrow's
coming
and
and
so
much
of
what
we
hear
Minimizes
our
experience
,
and
so
so
much
of
what
treatment
is
about
is
Acknowledging
its
true
significance
and
its
true
impact
on
us
,
and
so
,
as
we're
dissecting
or
differentiating
grief
and
trauma
,
while
that's
an
important
exercise
,
the
more
important
one
in
my
mind
is
what
is
the
impact
of
this
on
you
?
Speaker 1
10:05
right
and
what
is
the
continual
impact
?
Absolutely
because
,
if
you're
like
me
,
the
challenges
of
the
reoccurring
maybe
diagnosis
of
hey
,
you
had
endometriosis
,
now
you
have
adenomyosis
,
now
your
body
is
not
gonna
work
the
same
.
Oh
,
you
have
bowel
issues
,
oh
you
have
.
So
we're
hearing
all
this
stuff
right
and
we
have
to
continually
work
on
our
body
,
even
after
we've
gotten
proper
treatment
.
Or
maybe
you
aren't
able
to
get
proper
treatment
,
or
maybe
you've
lost
the
ability
to
have
your
own
children
,
if
you
choose
to
and
it's
compounding
right
.
Speaker 1
10:43
How
do
we
process
that
Continuously
?
How
do
we
continue
to
walk
through
that
?
Because
,
as
you
said
,
it's
compounding
and
and
I
feel
like
sometimes
a
Lot
of
us
have
felt
like
when
is
enough
enough
?
And
we're
trying
to
Get
help
and
seek
help
,
but
then
it
keeps
coming
and
it
the
grief
gets
worse
,
and
then
how
do
we
differentiate
between
grief
and
depression
,
or
are
they
the
same
?
You
know
,
it's
I
.
This
is
where
a
lot
of
us
Find
some
of
the
most
challenging
parts
of
this
disease
.
Speaker 2
11:22
Yeah
,
and
as
I
talked
to
you
and
other
folks
who
Are
unfortunately
dealing
with
all
that
comes
with
this
disease
,
the
first
thing
I
want
to
say
,
as
I
see
you
,
and
.
Speaker 2
11:35
I
hear
you
,
when
something
is
compounding
,
it
doesn't
seem
possible
to
make
it
through
,
right
,
I
barely
made
it
through
Sunday
and
now
I've
got
to
make
it
through
Monday
,
right
,
and
I
don't
laugh
to
make
light
of
it
.
I
laugh
because
there's
some
absurdity
in
it
,
right
,
there's
.
There's
this
way
in
which
Whether
it's
self-imposed
or
other
imposed
messages
of
just
keep
going
Distract
us
from
doing
what
we
need
to
be
doing
,
which
is
acknowledging
each
and
every
moment
not
even
every
day
,
because
it
could
be
ten
in
a
day
Moments
where
I'm
experiencing
something
significant
,
right
,
and
I
think
so
much
about
grief
,
loss
,
trauma
Is
taking
the
time
to
speak
to
what
it
is
.
Yeah
,
this
is
my
third
diagnosis
in
three
months
.
That
is
a
big
deal
,
right
,
and
even
if
people
don't
understand
it
or
believe
me
,
or
or
see
the
compounding
or
progressive
nature
of
what
I'm
dealing
with
,
it's
what's
happening
for
me
.
Speaker 2
12:53
Right
and
I
have
to
acknowledge
it
,
and
people
often
will
say
to
me
around
a
variety
of
different
chronic
illnesses
they're
like
but
Sean
,
if
I
slow
down
and
take
the
time
to
acknowledge
that
,
I'm
gonna
get
behind
.
I
got
to
keep
moving
forward
and
my
whole
thing
is
yeah
,
I
want
you
to
move
forward
too
,
but
the
way
forward
is
by
pausing
first
.
It's
not
by
continuing
to
run
or
push
or
forge
ahead
.
I
get
that
we
have
to
be
in
survival
mode
at
times
,
I
understand
,
but
what
I'm
speaking
to
more
is
the
importance
of
pausing
and
reflecting
and
acknowledging
.
This
is
hard
,
this
is
real
.
This
is
my
experience
of
my
body
,
of
of
my
life
that
we
have
to
do
.
Speaker 1
13:45
Yeah
,
how
do
we
communicate
that
to
people
who
don't
believe
us
,
because
this
is
an
invisible
illness
?
Speaker 2
13:51
Yeah
,
without
adding
more
to
that
Trauma
plate
that's
the
problem
is
because
oftentimes
we're
adding
more
to
that
trauma
plate
as
you
put
it
,
yeah
when
we
try
and
convince
someone
of
something
that
they
aren't
ready
to
accept
or
see
Right
.
Speaker 2
14:10
So
one
of
the
things
that
folks
tell
me
consistently
is
people
just
don't
understand
or
people
don't
believe
me
,
and
that
in
and
of
itself
is
a
grief
,
that
in
and
of
itself
it
can
be
traumatic
,
right
?
And
so
one
of
the
things
I
really
encourage
folks
to
consider
is
you
can't
allow
other
people
the
power
to
change
your
story
to
fit
their
narrative
.
Speaker 2
14:39
Yeah
Right
,
I
get
it
Like
if
I'm
a
partner
of
someone
who's
suffering
with
an
invisible
disease
,
I
want
to
tell
them
and
myself
you're
okay
,
because
I
want
to
convince
them
and
myself
that
that's
the
case
.
Right
,
right
.
Speaker 1
14:56
It's
all
about
convincing
people
right
,
and
I
think
that
that's
the
challenge
too
is
like
we
spend
so
much
time
trying
to
convince
people
that
we
aren't
crazy
,
that
we
,
that
we
are
hurting
,
that
we
do
have
these
pains
that
are
invisible
,
and
then
we
try
to
convince
ourselves
that
it's
not
as
bad
as
it
really
is
,
that
we're
not
as
crazy
as
we
really
people
are
telling
us
we
are
,
or
that
that
doctor
who
gas
lit
us
was
right
or
was
wrong
or
indifferent
or
not
piling
that
rock
into
our
load
,
and
that
is
so
tricky
.
Speaker 1
15:37
And
then
you
balance
that
with
relationships
.
We've
talked
before
at
the
support
group
about
intimacy
with
relationships
and
how
challenging
that
is
with
this
disease
,
because
it's
painful
and
losing
that
connection
.
And
when
we
talk
about
grief
,
when
we
talk
about
chronic
illness
,
it's
not
just
the
trauma
,
it's
also
the
grief
of
I
can't
give
more
to
my
partner
.
I
can't
be
more
to
my
children
.
I
wanted
these
kids
so
bad
and
yet
I
can't
manage
to
get
out
of
bed
or
function
as
a
normal
parent
.
Or
I
wish
that
I
could
connect
with
my
partner
and
I
can't
,
and
sometimes
that's
even
emotionally
.
Speaker 2
16:26
Yes
,
I
hear
that
.
Speaker 1
16:27
I
want
to
say
you're
not
alone
.
Speaker 2
16:31
At
all
.
You
are
not
alone
.
Speaker 1
16:33
Right
,
and
that
pain
is
real
,
that
grief
is
real
,
accepting
that
it
is
okay
to
grieve
those
things
is
okay
and
real
.
Speaker 2
16:44
Yes
,
and
repeatedly
right
.
So
I
can
imagine
in
the
moment
how
painful
it
is
to
not
be
able
to
get
out
of
bed
and
be
there
in
whatever
capacity
for
the
people
that
we
love
the
most
.
But
that
in
and
of
itself
is
a
trauma
.
It
is
something
we
need
to
grieve
.
It
is
something
that
we
need
to
take
the
time
to
acknowledge
and
address
,
and
people
often
ask
me
well
,
just
tell
me
how
to
do
it
so
I
can
go
and
do
it
and
then
move
on
.
And
my
response
to
that
is
I
wish
I
had
a
magic
potion
.
The
reality
is
grief
is
circular
,
it's
not
linear
.
The
reality
is
trauma
is
very
similar
in
that
way
that
if
I
can't
do
what
I've
so
desperately
wanted
to
be
able
to
do
parent
partner
,
what
have
you
?
And
I
can't
.
In
that
moment
it's
really
important
for
me
to
acknowledge
what
is
true
and
seek
self-compassion
.
Speaker 2
17:51
So
as
much
as
it's
very
common
and
I
hear
this
a
lot
from
folks
.
It's
very
common
to
say
what
I
can't
do
or
what
I
wish
I
could
do
for
other
people
,
and
I
do
not
want
to
minimize
that
in
any
way
,
however
,
but
what
I
do
want
to
say
is
I've
got
to
learn
how
to
extend
that
to
myself
in
the
form
of
grace
and
compassion
,
and
the
reason
why
is
because
the
research
is
overwhelming
to
say
that
those
who
have
been
able
to
extend
self-compassion
to
oneself
do
better
.
They
do
better
intrapersonally
with
themselves
,
intrapersonally
with
others
.
Even
some
studies
have
shown
how
that's
helped
them
physically
,
health-wise
as
well
.
Speaker 2
18:42
You'd
ask
that
question
earlier
about
what
is
grief
and
what
is
depression
.
We
see
depression
rates
decrease
when
self-compassion
increases
,
and
so
there's
a
way
in
which
we
already
feel
like
a
burden
,
because
all
the
things
that
are
happening
to
us
and
the
impact
that
that
has
on
folks
that
are
caring
for
and
loving
us
yeah
,
that
impacts
real
,
and
the
reality
is
we
still
have
to
take
care
of
ourselves
so
that
we
can
increase
that
capacity
in
our
good
days
to
take
care
of
others
,
but
that
our
worth
and
our
value
isn't
about
caring
for
other
people
.
It
really
comes
from
developing
a
practice
and
a
discipline
about
caring
for
ourselves
.
Speaker 1
19:29
Yeah
,
that's
so
hard
?
Oh
,
of
course
it's
so
hard
.
We're
all
.
Of
course
it
is
,
and
that
is
part
of
it
.
Is
that
we're
in
such
survival
mode
?
Yes
,
all
the
time
,
yeah
,
and
it's
really
hard
to
give
ourselves
the
grace
to
be
okay
,
taking
a
nap
and
not
being
perfect
.
Speaker 2
19:51
Yes
.
Speaker 1
19:52
And
not
filling
the
shoes
of
many
people
.
Yeah
,
I
recently
had
a
guest
come
on
Ellie
was
talking
about
Navigating Anger and Self-Compassion
Speaker 1
20:01
this
.
She
said
your
body
is
giving
you
100%
of
what
it
has
,
Honoring
even
if
it's
only
what
feels
like
2%
.
Honoring
that
2%
is
sometimes
all
we
can
do
.
Speaker 2
20:13
Yeah
,
yeah
,
I
love
that
.
Speaker 1
20:16
And
I'm
like
that's
so
true
because
I
never
realized
how
hard
my
body's
working
.
But
that
isn't
to
say
that
I
can't
grieve
what
it
can't
do
or
what
it's
struggling
to
do
Absolutely
.
Speaker 2
20:30
And
I
do
think
that
there's
healing
when
we
acknowledge
I
may
not
be
100%
,
but
I'm
going
to
manage
my
98%
when
I
can
and
love
myself
within
that
I
love
that
,
because
that's
really
the
intersection
that
is
really
,
I
think
,
important
for
us
to
try
and
engage
in
fully
meaning
celebrating
the
whatever
percent
my
body's
capable
of
that
day
,
the
100%
that
my
body
is
capable
of
that
day
,
and
what
it
means
to
be
kind
,
gentle
and
loving
of
myself
too
.
Speaker 1
21:08
Right
.
Speaker 2
21:09
And
I
think
that's
easier
quote-unquote
when
I
feel
like
my
body's
operating
close
to
100%
Right
,
and
far
more
difficult
when
it
feels
like
I'm
operating
shoot
at
a
deficit
or
10%
Right
.
And
yet
that's
the
power
of
self
compassion
is
understanding
that
I
can
grieve
what
is
true
and
love
myself
too
Right
Simultaneously
,
that
I
am
not
lovable
only
if
or
only
when
or
only
because
I
did
this
thing
Right
.
I
am
loved
,
valued
,
honored
and
cherished
,
regardless
of
what
my
body
is
doing
that
day
.
Speaker 1
21:55
Right
.
How
do
we
get
to
that
point
,
though
,
mentally
,
and
not
become
bitter
and
not
become
angry
,
because
the
other
part
of
this
is
anger
.
There's
so
many
times
I'm
so
angry
at
my
body
.
There's
so
many
times
I'm
so
angry
at
the
medical
system
.
I'm
so
angry
that
for
so
long
,
I
was
dismissed
by
so
many
.
Even
those
who
love
me
have
dismissed
me
or
misunderstood
me
,
or
I
trusted
people
and
it
was
misinformation
.
Anger
is
a
big
part
of
this
,
yes
,
and
that
is
part
of
grief
,
but
how
do
we
not
sit
in
that
space
?
How
do
we
not
sit
on
anger
and
allow
healing
to
really
take
place
?
Because
,
again
,
this
is
continual
,
right
,
anger
isn't
just
in
this
moment
.
Anger
is
every
time
we
have
to
go
to
the
physical
therapists
and
they're
saying
I
,
you
know
,
we
got
to
work
a
little
bit
harder
on
this
,
or
let's
try
this
,
or
the
muscles
that
are
giving
out
when
you're
trying
to
work
out
,
and
you
are
so
mad
because
you're
so
close
to
your
personal
record
.
How
do
you
not
get
angry
?
Speaker 2
23:11
Well
,
so
anger
is
inevitable
,
particularly
when
we're
pushed
and
prodded
and
really
kind
of
pulled
to
the
brink
.
Many
of
the
examples
that
you
just
gave
,
but
many
more
as
well
.
I
like
to
think
about
anger
similar
to
a
tree
,
in
that
the
trunk
of
the
tree
and
what
we
see
of
the
tree
is
the
anger
,
but
what
we
don't
see
are
the
emotions
or
the
roots
that
are
feeding
it
,
and
so
it's
really
important
for
us
to
get
below
the
surface
and
be
curious
about
what
are
those
feelings
that
are
feeding
or
fueling
my
anger
,
because
anger
as
an
emotion
is
a
very
powerful
,
it's
a
very
activating
.
Anger
has
changed
human
history
.
Speaker 1
24:01
Right
.
Speaker 2
24:02
Right
,
it
is
a
very
powerful
emotion
,
but
,
interestingly
enough
,
it's
fed
by
a
variety
of
feelings
that
we
have
in
the
moment
,
and
so
how
to
deal
with
anger
is
about
seeking
to
understand
and
,
dare
I
say
,
even
have
compassion
for
the
feelings
that
are
fueling
it
.
So
it
might
be
that
I'm
having
fear
that
my
muscles
are
giving
out
during
my
workout
.
And
then
it's
expressed
as
anger
that
I
can't
work
out
.
Speaker 1
24:35
Right
.
Speaker 2
24:36
And
so
what
does
it
mean
for
us
to
attend
to
the
sorts
of
things
that
are
kind
of
feeding
my
anger
,
so
that
then
I
can
,
quote
unquote
,
deal
with
my
anger
in
effective
and
productive
ways
,
and
that
looks
different
for
everyone
.
The
other
day
I
was
talking
to
a
woman
who
has
a
chronic
illness
.
She
has
chronic
fatigue
syndrome
.
So
a
little
bit
different
,
but
this
kind
of
very
similar
.
Speaker 2
25:04
I
don't
get
a
day
off
kind
of
scenario
,
right
?
And
she
said
I
just
want
to
be
done
with
my
anger
.
And
I
said
of
course
you
do
.
I
want
you
to
too
,
right
?
And
she
said
how
do
I
do
that
?
Very
similar
to
the
question
you
asked
a
second
ago
.
And
I
said
,
well
,
part
of
it
is
understanding
that
your
body
is
reacting
to
everything
that's
happening
in
your
life
.
She's
like
,
well
,
yeah
,
I'm
very
mindful
of
that
.
And
I
said
okay
,
so
then
,
beyond
that
,
what's
your
typical
way
of
dealing
with
that
?
Speaker 2
25:39
She's
like
by
not
dealing
.
And
I
said
well
then
,
that's
an
invitation
for
anger
to
take
root
and
to
grow
in
your
life
.
And
what
we
know
about
the
progression
of
it
is
unchecked
,
it
becomes
resentment
and
then
,
unchecked
,
it
becomes
bitterness
.
And
when
we
reach
the
bitterness
stage
,
our
heart
,
our
soul
,
our
mind
,
even
our
body
is
so
hardened
that
stonewalling
even
those
that
are
the
closest
to
us
,
stonewalling
even
those
that
have
our
best
interest
in
mind
,
is
just
automatic
.
And
so
how
can
we
back
up
the
train
and
recognize
hey
,
I'm
feeling
angry
today
because
what's
going
on
for
me
,
doing
that
body
scan
,
as
hesitantly
as
we
might
want
to
,
or
really
trying
to
be
mindful
of
,
or
even
talk
with
somebody
else
about
,
what's
going
on
for
me
at
that
time
,
so
that
I
can
address
that
thing
in
hopes
that
it
doesn't
cascade
to
bitterness
?
Speaker 1
26:42
Yeah
,
I
also
think
talking
to
someone
who's
not
going
to
feed
the
bitterness
is
key
.
Speaker 2
26:49
It
is
.
Speaker 1
26:50
Because
I
think
when
you
are
in
a
chronic
illness
community
it
is
really
easy
to
pile
on
that
anger
and
certainly
there's
justification
for
that
anger
.
Speaker 2
27:02
No
question
.
Speaker 1
27:03
There
are
moments
I
hear
a
lot
of
you
talk
about
your
anger
,
about
the
way
that
you
were
treated
,
and
I
have
certainly
felt
that
anger
.
But
I
want
to
caution
all
of
us
to
be
careful
not
to
fuel
the
anger
.
Can
we
fuel
change
?
Absolutely
.
Can
it
fuel
our
passion
for
change
?
Absolutely
?
Yes
,
but
to
sit
in
a
space
of
anger
and
pile
on
the
anger
is
not
doing
anyone
any
good
.
Speaker 2
27:28
No
,
even
though
it's
justified
.
Absolutely
,
you
have
every
right
to
feel
angry
.
Speaker 1
27:34
Yeah
.
Speaker 2
27:36
It's
a
very
inevitable
and
understandable
,
given
this
context
experience
for
us
.
Speaker 1
27:40
Absolutely
,
absolutely
.
Speaker 2
27:43
I
don't
want
to
get
away
from
that
.
I
don't
want
the
takeaway
for
all
of
you
to
be
oh
my
gosh
,
I
just
can't
be
angry
.
I
have
to
get
ahead
of
it
each
and
every
time
so
that
I
don't
succumb
to
it
.
That's
not
what
we're
saying
.
What
we're
saying
is
the
inevitability
of
it
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
learn
more
about
what's
going
on
for
us
,
right
,
and
in
so
doing
,
it
creates
a
chance
,
albeit
small
,
albeit
fleeting
.
It's
a
chance
nonetheless
,
for
us
then
to
respond
to
it
in
an
intentional
way
,
right
.
What
is
anger
communicating
to
me
?
About
me
,
not
to
me
about
my
partner
or
my
parent
,
or
my
boss
or
my
medical
provider
no
,
me
.
And
in
so
doing
,
maybe
,
just
maybe
,
I
can
find
or
pinpoint
or
get
a
sense
of
what
it
is
that
I'm
needing
in
that
moment
.
Speaker 1
28:38
Right
.
Speaker 2
28:39
And
most
people
say
,
well
,
I
don't
know
what
I
need
,
I
just
need
to
be
done
with
all
this
,
or
I
need
life
to
be
different
than
what
it
is
,
and
I
have
a
lot
of
compassion
for
that
.
Yeah
,
and
yet
,
until
we
can
figure
out
how
to
change
the
course
of
our
lives
,
we
have
to
take
it
one
step
at
a
time
and
say
what
is
true
and
what
do
I
need
as
a
result
of
this
truth
.
Speaker 1
28:58
Right
,
what
are
some
ways
to
practice
that
I
know
for
me
?
I've
talked
about
this
before
.
But
accepting
small
things
about
myself
that
are
hard
,
say
,
for
instance
,
if
someone's
complimenting
,
to
accept
that
compliment
.
Speaker 2
29:16
Yes
.
Speaker 1
29:17
If
someone
sees
,
you
accept
that
and
not
look
at
others
that
are
not
seeing
me
or
hearing
me
,
or
who
have
doubted
me
,
who
have
criticized
me
.
Allowing
the
voices
of
those
who
can
sit
in
my
corner
be
louder
than
those
who
want
to
sit
outside
and
criticize
.
Speaker 2
29:35
Yes
.
Speaker 1
29:37
And
that
for
me
has
been
instrumental
Good
,
but
I
know
that
that's
not
easy
.
Speaker 2
29:42
It
isn't
easy
,
and
I
think
it
often
depends
on
the
day
right
.
Speaker 1
29:46
Absolutely
.
Speaker 2
29:47
We
all
have
those
days
where
it
seemingly
nothing
is
going
to
make
a
difference
,
right
,
nothing
is
going
to
change
how
I'm
thinking
,
how
I'm
feeling
,
what
my
body
is
or
isn't
doing
in
that
moment
.
And
there's
a
lot
of
value
in
what
you're
talking
about
,
because
the
literature
is
very
compelling
to
say
that
we
cannot
underestimate
the
power
of
personal
affirmations
,
and
I'm
not
talking
negative
affirmations
.
Speaker 2
30:13
Which
we're
really
good
at
,
and
even
an
oxymoron
,
as
I
say
it
out
loud
,
but
it's
this
idea
of
positive
personal
affirmations
to
say
I
am
capable
of
love
Shoot
,
I
can
name
10
people
right
now
that
I
love
,
that
I
genuinely
love
and
care
about
.
I
am
capable
of
parenting
.
I
showed
up
yesterday
and
went
to
the
park
with
my
kids
.
Right
,
there's
a
way
in
which
the
power
of
positive
self
affirmations
cannot
be
overlooked
.
Now
I
tell
people
it
has
to
be
in
the
ballpark
,
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
it
has
to
be
somewhat
realistic
,
right
,
right
,
as
much
as
I'd
love
a
full
head
of
hair
,
I'm
not
going
to
have
that
.
What
I
know
you're
shocked
to
hear
that
I
am
,
but
it's
got
to
be
something
that's
more
kind
of
neutral
to
positive
that
I
can
wrap
my
head
and
heart
around
and
respond
to
.
For
example
,
I
can
do
that
most
days
,
or
I
am
lovable
.
Speaker 2
31:23
Even
if
it's
my
mom
,
it
still
counts
.
Speaker 2
31:24
Your
mom
counts
,
or
if
it's
even
your
cat
or
your
dog
,
it
counts
,
it
,
counts
it
counts
and
starting
there
,
starting
with
and
it
may
not
even
feel
like
low
hanging
fruit
,
but
those
things
that
we
can
,
we
can
just
kind
of
say
,
yeah
,
that's
true
.
And
then
progressively
go
to
places
that
maybe
we
didn't
feel
or
don't
in
the
present
feel
are
true
or
acceptable
about
us
,
and
understanding
that
as
we
build
a
different
relationship
with
ourselves
through
those
affirmations
,
we
will
,
we
will
absolutely
change
the
way
that
we
show
up
in
relationships
outside
of
ourselves
.
Speaker 1
32:09
Absolutely
.
Speaker 2
32:10
Because
I'm
only
as
good
in
this
relationship
with
you
as
my
partner
,
as
I
perceive
myself
to
be
,
and
I
have
to
say
I'm
just
so
happy
that
I
have
this
appointment
after
failure
,
after
failure
that
I'm
responsible
for
,
because
you
didn't
sign
up
for
this
Well
,
I
didn't
either
,
right
.
But
I
can
begin
then
to
see
myself
in
a
more
neutral
,
positive
way
.
Then
I
look
at
that
same
relationship
differently
,
going
forward
.
I
can
look
at
it
and
say
you
know
what
?
Yeah
,
we
got
thrown
more
curveballs
than
we
thought
we
would
ever
have
to
deal
with
,
and
I
deserve
your
love
and
you
deserve
mine
.
We
were
given
more
diagnoses
than
we'd
ever
want
in
a
lifetime
for
the
two
of
us
,
and
that
was
just
for
me
.
Speaker 1
33:05
Yeah
.
Speaker 2
33:07
And
we're
still
able
to
walk
down
the
street
holding
hands
,
right
.
So
would
I
want
none
of
this
to
have
happened
to
any
of
you
?
Absolutely
no
question
,
right
.
And
yet
,
because
it's
a
reality
for
so
many
,
what
can
I
do
in
my
relationship
with
me
,
in
the
current
state
of
my
body
,
the
current
state
of
my
mind
and
the
current
state
of
my
heart
,
to
love
and
accept
myself
more
and
more
can
be
just
a
little
bit
more
than
yesterday
,
yeah
,
so
that
I
can
show
up
in
the
world
and
in
my
relationships
differently
.
Yeah
.
Speaker 1
33:49
And
I
think
,
speaking
of
those
relationships
because
we
do
have
a
lot
of
support
people
that
listen
Grief
is
just
as
big
of
a
part
for
them
in
processing
the
grief
,
no
question
what
are
really
healthy
ways
for
them
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
yet
still
support
,
because
resentment
is
a
really
real
thing
when
you
get
piled
on
and
I
will
say
for
myself
,
I
feel
guilty
for
piling
these
things
on
to
my
support
people
.
Speaker 2
34:19
Of
course
you
do
.
Speaker 1
34:19
Right
,
yeah
,
but
adversely
they
.
It's
not
the
life
that
they
chose
,
like
you
were
talking
about
.
How
do
they
get
to
the
point
where
support
becomes
a
motion
of
love
without
resentment
,
and
yet
they're
able
to
grieve
what
they
thought
they
were
going
to
get
?
Or
maybe
they
walked
into
this
kind
of
having
an
idea
,
sure
,
but
at
the
same
time
didn't
fully
grasp
or
understand
the
reality
of
living
in
that
relationship
as
a
support
person
?
Speaker 2
34:52
Yeah
,
well
,
then
that
makes
two
of
you
.
Speaker 1
34:54
Right
,
exactly
.
Support in Relationships and Coping With Grief and Trauma
Speaker 2
34:56
So
I
think
,
to
that
end
it's
a
lovely
question
,
and
how
I'd
like
to
initially
respond
is
saying
that
it's
twofold
.
The
first
one
is
getting
outside
support
.
Speaker 2
35:07
So
,
just
as
you've
talked
just
now
about
all
the
people
that
are
in
your
support
circle
,
that
have
supported
you
and
continue
to
do
so
.
Caregivers
need
the
same
thing
,
you
know
.
Partners
need
the
same
thing
.
They
need
to
be
able
to
go
to
a
place
and
a
space
or
particular
people
and
just
unload
,
unfiltered
.
And
,
yes
,
that
can
be
cathartic
,
but
it
can
also
be
therapeutic
,
and
the
reason
why
it's
therapeutic
is
because
I'm
not
then
paying
attention
to
the
impact
that
those
words
are
having
on
my
partner
,
as
I'm
sharing
it
directly
with
them
.
Okay
,
so
I'm
dumping
it
,
I'm
getting
it
out
,
which
is
super
important
,
right
,
super
important
.
And
also
,
the
flip
side
of
that
is
being
able
to
have
,
be
it
honesty
,
our
,
or
regular
check-ins
with
my
partner
who's
suffering
with
this
invisible
disease
,
about
what
it's
like
to
be
on
my
side
of
that
street
.
Right
,
and
understanding
that
this
isn't
a
personal
attack
.
This
isn't
intended
to
make
you
feel
more
guilty
than
you
already
do
.
Speaker 1
36:12
Right
.
Speaker 2
36:14
It's
just
acknowledging
that
,
because
I
love
you
,
because
I'm
engaged
in
this
relationship
,
because
I
desire
to
be
a
partner
to
you
,
I'm
going
to
be
impacted
too
.
Mm-hmm
.
The
partners
that
I'm
more
concerned
about
are
those
that
go
seemingly
unaffected
.
Speaker 1
36:30
Yeah
.
Speaker 2
36:31
Right
that
they're
like
no
,
this
is
just
their
thing
and
I'm
here
to
support
them
and
it's
gravy
,
no
,
no
,
that's
called
avoidance
and
that's
not
helpful
.
Yeah
,
and
so
it's
going
to
get
that
support
outside
of
your
partner
and
then
being
very
intentional
as
partners
in
a
partner
relationship
,
very
intentional
to
be
honest
with
each
other
about
what's
going
on
,
because
we
both
know
what
is
Mm-hmm
.
But
knowing
what
is
and
talking
about
what
is
are
two
very
different
things
.
Speaker 2
37:01
Right
,
right
,
absolutely
,
and
that's
often
where
a
third
party
be
it
a
therapist
or
a
priest
or
a
trusted
other
in
your
lives
that
you
can
sit
down
with
and
talk
through
it
with
,
so
that
they
can
facilitate
those
stuck
spaces
not
if
,
but
when
you
get
into
them
,
mm-hmm
Right
and
just
encourage
and
remind
you
of
what
is
true
.
A
lot
of
the
work
that
I
do
is
just
reminding
people
it
is
true
to
say
and
you
love
each
other
,
that's
why
you're
here
,
mm-hmm
,
that's
right
.
We
love
each
other
and
life
sucks
.
I
forgot
about
that
.
Yes
,
and
both
are
true
.
Speaker 1
37:41
Yes
,
both
are
true
.
I
don't
like
them
all
the
time
,
but
I
still
love
you
yes
.
Speaker 2
37:46
Yes
.
Speaker 1
37:47
It
was
interesting
.
I
was
talking
to
my
daughter
about
that
the
other
day
.
She
goes
Mom
,
what
does
it
mean
?
Because
we're
listening
to
George
Strait
,
mm-hmm
and
one
of
the
songs
is
you
know
,
I
don't
always
like
you
,
but
I
love
you
,
or
something
I
don't
.
But
anyway
,
she
was
like
what
does
that
mean
,
mom
?
And
I
said
,
well
,
let
me
say
it
this
way
,
do
you
always
like
being
around
me
?
No
,
I
said
,
do
you
always
love
me
?
Yeah
,
okay
.
You
just
answered
your
question
.
Oh
,
yeah
,
okay
,
and
it
is
that
simple
.
Sometimes
I
love
that
.
I'm
like
you
don't
have
to
like
each
other
or
like
each
other
in
that
moment
,
but
remembering
the
core
of
why
you
love
each
other
and
I
would
even
say
this
is
for
those
support
people
who
are
parents
,
who
are
just
friends
yes
,
thank
you
.
You
don't
support
people
without
loving
them
.
Speaker 2
38:33
True
.
Speaker 1
38:34
Like
there's
no
way
you
could
do
that
and
just
kind
of
like
them
.
I
mean
,
you'd
have
to
be
a
big
person
and
there
are
those
people
You'd
have
to
be
Mother
Teresa
.
But
but
at
the
core
of
that
is
is
love
for
people
and
love
for
this
person
.
Speaker 2
38:50
Yes
.
Speaker 1
38:51
And
compassion
.
So
ultimately
,
they're
showing
compassion
and
care
,
except
that
it
compassion
and
care
but
also
give
it
back
.
Yeah
,
I
think
that's
something
that
both
Elliot
and
I
have
learned
.
Speaker 2
39:07
And
I've
learned
it
with
my
kids
.
Speaker 1
39:09
I've
learned
that
I
need
to
show
them
compassion
and
care
when
I'm
not
when
I'm
capable
of
doing
that
.
And
sometimes
I
am
not
great
and
in
return
,
when
I'm
not
feeling
great
,
they
show
that
it's
amazing
what
you
can
learn
from
young
people
.
Speaker 2
39:23
Yes
.
Speaker 1
39:24
And
the
innocence
of
that
.
Speaker 2
39:26
Yeah
Well
,
and
I
love
your
,
your
kind
of
,
in
the
moment
,
spontaneous
parenting
,
if
you
will
,
with
your
daughter
.
I
mean
,
what
a
lovely
response
you
gave
in
response
to
George
,
straight
right
Right
.
There's
.
There's
a
way
in
which
like
and
love
get
very
confused
and
,
at
the
end
of
the
day
,
that
love
is
enduring
with
those
that
are
significant
people
in
our
lives
.
Speaker 2
39:51
And
so
,
while
,
like
I
say
,
similar
to
waves
on
a
shore
,
that
it
comes
and
it
goes
right
,
love
is
enduring
.
Love
is
the
ocean
,
maybe
,
like
are
the
waves
,
and
it's
important
to
understand
that
,
through
the
ups
and
downs
of
every
day
,
be
it
full
of
grief
or
full
of
joy
or
somewhere
in
between
,
love
remains
,
and
that's
what
both
partners
and
those
who
are
struggling
with
chronic
pain
,
chronic
illness
,
chronic
issues
of
my
body
going
to
do
.
What
I
want
it
to
do
today
Questions
Love
still
there
,
and
so
we
need
to
go
and
get
it
.
As
partners
,
as
I
was
talking
about
earlier
,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
cultivating
in
our
relationship
with
each
other
,
and
we
also
then
need
to
remind
ourselves
of
what
it
means
to
love
and
accept
ourselves
,
even
if
this
is
a
version
of
me
that
I
wouldn't
have
signed
up
for
in
the
first
place
.
Speaker 1
40:55
Yeah
,
and
that
is
not
easy
.
It
is
not
easy
,
but
it
also
is
a
lot
easier
when
you
surround
yourself
with
the
tools
and
the
people
that
will
fuel
that
better
.
Speaker 2
41:11
Great
.
Speaker 1
41:13
And
part
of
that
tool
is
seeking
help
and
guidance
outside
of
that
,
and
there
are
resources
out
there
that
are
there
.
There
are
resources
out
there
that
can
help
If
you
are
in
a
state
of
grief
and
are
feeling
hopeless
.
There
are
resources
.
There's
a
helpline
out
there
.
There's
a
crisis
line
that
you
can
call
for
those
that
are
international
.
There
are
international
aids
as
well
.
In
a
lot
of
places
.
A
lot
of
people
will
do
a
tele
counseling
sessions
,
so
they
will
do
an
online
session
.
I
think
it's
important
to
not
walk
in
grief
alone
.
Speaker 2
41:47
Agreed
.
Speaker 1
41:48
I
think
,
as
we
continue
to
discover
little
bits
of
grief
that
are
thrown
our
way
each
day
,
we
have
to
be
able
to
process
that
grief
.
I
have
processed
a
lot
of
grief
within
family
matters
losing
close
ones
.
I've
processed
grief
within
a
chronic
illness
and
the
self
loathing
can
be
the
death
of
you
.
But
when
you
invite
others
into
a
space
to
bring
joy
and
acceptance
and
compassion
to
you
and
you
accept
that
,
although
not
easy
,
it's
easier
for
you
to
give
it
back
.
Speaker 2
42:32
Agreed
.
Speaker 2
42:33
You
know
,
I
agree
with
all
of
that
and
I
appreciate
your
reflection
because
,
full
circle
,
grief
and
trauma
are
isolating
and
the
very
thing
you're
talking
about
is
the
value
,
the
importance
,
dare
I
say
,
the
necessity
of
community
,
and
that
can
take
on
many
forms
.
Speaker 2
42:51
That
can
take
on
having
conversation
with
my
daughter
about
a
country
music
song
,
or
it
can
be
about
my
relationship
or
my
friendships
,
or
something
on
a
larger
scale
,
like
my
faith
community
.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day
,
if
we
stay
silent
or
we
withhold
what
is
true
,
what
is
true
for
us
in
grief
and
trauma
,
it
only
compounds
.
And
you
know
,
although
,
although
focused
more
on
shame
and
vulnerability
,
brené
Brown's
research
is
relevant
in
this
moment
as
well
to
say
that
what
she
discovered
to
be
true
about
shame
,
it
thrives
in
secrecy
and
isolation
.
Yeah
,
right
,
same
as
true
for
grief
and
trauma
.
In
fact
,
one
of
the
most
significant
interventions
that
we
can
make
in
our
lives
is
connection
,
and
I
would
argue
with
ourselves
first
and
foremost
,
but
then
with
others
,
profoundly
second
,
and
that
people
just
do
better
in
life
dealing
with
all
of
those
curveballs
that
we've
been
talking
about
today
with
others
yeah
,
not
just
on
my
own
,
right
,
right
.
Speaker 1
44:06
In
recognizing
you
can't
do
it
on
your
own
.
Speaker 2
44:08
Absolutely
,
you
can't
.
Speaker 1
44:10
You
cannot
,
we
are
not
.
We
are
not
made
that
way
.
We
are
not
made
to
do
things
on
our
own
.
I
mean
,
I
think
we
have
to
recognize
things
.
We
can't
push
everything
off
of
us
.
Right
Agreed
,
but
we
shouldn't
be
doing
this
on
our
own
,
no
.
Speaker 2
44:23
No
.
Speaker 1
44:24
No
.
Speaker 2
44:24
Even
superheroes
don't
have
all
the
skills
.
Speaker 1
44:30
I
mean
even
when
I
try
Right
.
Speaker 2
44:35
That's
true
,
we
all
have
our
kryptonite
and
maybe
what
that
is
for
us
in
the
face
of
grief
and
trauma
is
isolation
,
and
that
,
in
order
to
be
the
superhero
that
we
are
capable
of
being
,
we
need
to
reach
out
,
not
pull
in
.
Speaker 1
44:55
Yeah
,
so
well
said
.
If
you
are
one
of
those
people
that
are
seeking
community
,
their
communities
online
,
their
communities
in
your
own
community
that
are
in
person
.
Certainly
,
in
the
northern
Colorado
region
we
have
started
the
Indo
village
community
as
well
,
and
then
it
is
a
village
that
we
live
together
and
we
do
life
together
.
It's
important
that
you
find
those
people
,
and
I
hope
that
this
is
a
tool
where
you
start
to
feel
that
ounce
of
community
.
Speaker 1
45:24
You
feel
seen
and
you
feel
heard
,
to
be
able
to
step
outside
of
your
little
space
,
wherever
that
is
,
to
continue
finding
your
community
around
you
,
because
we
all
need
it
.
So
,
sean
,
thank
you
so
much
.
Speaker 2
45:39
My
pleasure
.
Words of Life and Appreciation
Speaker 1
45:40
This
was
amazing
and
so
timely
and
I
just
appreciate
you
speaking
words
of
life
into
so
many
people
and
what
you're
doing
and
it's
so
impactful
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
taking
that
time
to
do
that
for
this
community
,
who
is
struggling
often
and
doesn't
feel
heard
.
I
really
think
that
you
have
helped
people
feel
heard
and
seen
,
so
thank
you
for
that
.
Speaker 2
46:07
Well
,
that
means
a
lot
.
The
reason
why
I
care
about
this
community
is
because
you
deserve
it
,
whether
you're
able
to
tell
yourself
that
or
not
.
Speaker 1
46:17
Right
.
Speaker 2
46:19
And
from
my
perspective
,
it's
truly
an
honor
to
be
able
to
journey
with
people
,
whether
they're
feeling
hopeless
or
full
of
hope
.
But
regardless
of
where
you
happen
to
be
in
the
moment
,
you
deserve
that
community
,
you
deserve
that
connection
and
you
deserve
to
see
and
experience
the
love
and
acceptance
that
you
deserve
yeah
,
absolutely
so
well
said
Until
next
time
,
InnoMatterA
,
continue
advocating
for
you
and
for
those
that
you
love
.