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What if the pain you’ve been living with for years was dismissed as normal? Join us as we sit down with Dr. Ginger Garner, a celebrated physical therapist and lifestyle medicine expert, who courageously shares her long-overdue diagnosis of endometriosis at age 50. Dr. Garner opens up about the impact of cultural conditioning, medical gaslighting, and limited access to care on her journey, and how integrative medicine became a beacon of hope, leading to the births of her three miracle children. Her evolution from orthopedics to pelvic health emphasizes the need to normalize discussions around pain and resilience.
Ever wondered how your pelvic floor impacts your voice? This episode provides an eye-opening exploration into the connection between vocalists’ pelvic health and their voice. Dr. Garner reveals how early voice training techniques like pelvic tilts can shape posture and breath control, and how pain from conditions such as endometriosis can alter a singer’s tone and inflection. We hear an engrossing account of a singer contending with the physical changes of pregnancy, highlighting how these shifts influence vocal performance and why this understanding is crucial for all singers.
The narrative takes a poignant turn as we delve into the story of a young mother navigating postpartum challenges without proper guidance. Despite her background in exercise physiology, she faced significant issues with urgency, frequency, and leakage post-childbirth, shedding light on the gaps in postpartum care within the U.S. healthcare system. Dr. Garner passionately discusses the importance of an integrative and trauma-informed approach to women’s health, advocating for better community support and medical care. This episode is a rallying call for empathy, education, and systemic change in how we address chronic pain and trauma in women’s health.
More about Ginger:
Dr. Ginger Garner is a doctor of physical therapy (PT, MPT, DPT), board certified in Lifestyle Medicine (DipACLM) and retired athletic trainer (ATC-ret) with post-doctoral training in functional and integrative medicine, dry needling, and rehabilitative ultrasound imaging. Ginger has spent 26 years teaching integrative and lifestyle medicine internationally, speaking at over 30 conferences worldwide. She is the author of multiple book chapters and 2 medical textbooks, Medical Therapeutic Yoga and Integrative and Lifestyle Medicine in Physical Therapy, from which she developed certifications for PT’s and OT’s in therapeutic yoga and lifestyle medicine.
Based in Greensboro, NC, Dr. Garner runs Garner Pelvic Health and Living Well Institute, is the host of the Living Well Podcast, and is raising 3 sons. She is active in community service and holds leadership roles for American Physical Therapy Association (APTA) Academy of Pelvic Health, APTA North Carolina, and American College of Lifestyle Medicine. Additionally, she is a mentor and thought leader in areas like voice to pelvic floor connection, rehab ultrasound imaging, and trauma-informed practice. Visit Dr. Garner at her clinical practice, http://www.garnerpelvichealth.com, Institute, http://www.integrativelifestylemed.com, and on Instagram and YouTube @drgingergarner.com
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Women's Health and Integrative Medicine
Speaker 1
0:03
Welcome
to
EndoBattery
,
where
I
share
about
my
endometriosis
and
adenomyosis
story
and
continue
learning
along
the
way
.
This
podcast
is
not
a
substitute
for
professional
medical
advice
or
diagnosis
,
but
a
place
to
equip
you
with
information
and
a
sense
of
community
,
ensuring
you
never
have
to
face
this
journey
alone
.
Join
me
as
I
navigate
the
ups
and
downs
and
share
stories
of
strength
,
resilience
and
hope
.
While
navigating
the
world
of
endometriosis
and
adenomyosis
,
from
personal
experience
to
expert
insights
,
I'm
your
host
,
alana
,
and
this
is
EndoBattery
charging
our
lives
when
endometriosis
drains
us
.
Welcome
back
to
EndoBattery
,
grab
your
cup
of
coffee
or
your
cup
of
tea
and
join
me
at
the
table
.
Speaker 1
0:46
I'm
joined
by
my
guest
,
dr
Ginger
Garner
.
She's
a
doctor
of
physical
therapy
and
board
certified
in
lifestyle
medicine
.
She's
a
retired
athletic
trainer
with
the
postdoctoral
training
in
functional
and
integrative
medicine
,
dry
needling
and
rehabilitative
ultrasound
imaging
.
With
26
years
of
experience
,
dr
Garner
has
taught
integrative
and
lifestyle
medicine
internationally
,
spoken
at
over
30
conferences
and
authored
multiple
book
chapters
and
two
medical
textbooks
.
She
developed
certifications
in
therapeutic
yoga
and
lifestyle
medicine
for
PTs
and
OTs
based
on
her
books
.
Dr
Garner
runs
Garner
Pelvic
Health
and
Living
Well
Institute
in
Greensboro
,
north
Carolina
,
hosts
the
Living
Well
podcast
and
is
a
mother
of
three
.
She
holds
leadership
roles
in
the
American
Physical
Therapy
Association
and
the
American
College
of
Lifestyle
Medicine
and
is
a
mentor
in
areas
such
as
voice
to
pelvic
floor
connection
rehab
,
ultrasound
imaging
and
trauma-informed
practice
.
Please
help
me
in
welcoming
Ginger
Gardner
.
Thank
you
,
ginger
,
so
much
for
joining
me
today
and
I'm
excited
to
finally
see
you
again
after
we
met
at
the
summit
and
thank
you
so
much
for
taking
the
time
out
of
your
busy
schedule
to
join
me
at
the
table
.
Speaker 2
1:59
Thank
you
,
alana
,
thanks
for
having
me
.
I'm
just
,
I'm
excited
about
this
conversation
.
Speaker 1
2:04
I
am
as
well
,
because
you
have
a
unique
perspective
that
I
hadn't
thought
of
until
I
sat
down
with
you
at
the
summit
and
we
started
talking
about
it
.
But
before
we
get
to
what
you're
doing
professionally
,
can
you
just
invite
us
into
your
space
to
get
to
know
you
a
little
bit
better
?
Who
is
Ginger
Gardner
?
Us
into
your
space
to
get
to
know
you
a
little
bit
better
.
Speaker 2
2:27
Who
is
Ginger
Garner
?
Oh
my
gosh
,
I
always
start
out
with
kind
of
like
this
,
a
bit
of
sense
of
humor
about
all
of
it
,
because
I
learned
so
much
about
how
to
be
resilient
,
develop
resilience
through
music
and
I'm
thinking
in
particular
about
friends
that
influenced
me
so
deeply
that
taught
me
that
sometimes
you
sense
of
humor
about
it
because
it
was
painful
,
because
I
do
did
have
endometriosis
and
for
me
at
um
,
at
50
,
it's
a
new
diagnosis
.
It's
one
that
because
of
our
cultural
conditioning
and
our
social
expectations
and
our
busy
schedules
and
medical
gaslighting
and
well-meaning
people
that
have
low
health
literacy
,
you
end
up
and
also
good
care
that
prevents
a
proper
diagnosis
of
being
discovered
,
because
you're
doing
all
these
things
to
control
estrogen
and
inflammation
and
you
know
immune
function
and
gut
health
.
So
I
arrived
last
year
with
a
unique
situation
because
I'm
a
pelvic
PT
and
had
surgery
for
endo
last
year
with
the
wonderful
and
amazing
Dr
Ken
Cenervo
at
CEC
in
Atlanta
,
who
I'll
forever
be
grateful
for
for
cleaning
all
the
mess
up
from
all
these
years
.
Speaker 2
4:13
But
when
I
think
all
the
way
back
,
all
the
way
back
to
the
very
beginning
,
things
were
always
abnormal
,
things
were
always
not
quite
right
,
but
I
had
very
unique
circumstances
of
growing
up
in
an
area
that
was
incredibly
underserved
,
very
low
income
,
without
access
to
care
,
and
everything
around
you
is
normalized
.
Speaker 2
4:37
You
know
,
all
pain
,
all
dysfunction
is
normalized
,
where
,
because
of
the
circumstances
,
where
you
know
,
my
family
did
the
best
they
could
with
what
they
had
,
but
we
didn't
have
the
benefits
of
that
.
We
didn't
come
from
,
you
know
,
sitting
with
that
privilege
at
all
.
And
so
,
you
know
,
as
I
progressed
through
my
journey
,
I
went
through
a
10-year
journey
of
infertility
,
again
without
answers
,
journey
of
infertility
,
again
without
answers
,
um
,
through
fertility
treatments
,
all
all
kinds
of
things
that
probably
ultimately
made
things
worse
,
right
,
fortunately
.
And
then
,
through
some
absolute
miracle
I
will
credit
integrative
medicine
for
that
miracle
I
was
able
to
have
three
children
without
any
intervention
at
all
.
Wow
,
and
that
,
those
,
yeah
,
three
miracles
in
a
row
,
three
miracles
in
a
row
there
.
But
during
that
time
,
as
a
lot
of
us
do
who've
been
PTs
for
over
a
quarter
of
a
century
and
we
ended
up
in
pelvic
health
.
We
didn't
start
there
,
right
century
and
we
ended
up
in
pelvic
health
.
Speaker 2
5:45
We
didn't
start
there
.
When
I
started
there
there
was
no
pelvic
health
and
it's
funny
,
not
funny
,
right
.
There
was
no
pelvic
health
.
No
woman
was
getting
the
care
or
men
or
anyone
was
getting
the
care
that
they
needed
in
that
area
.
And
so
I
grew
up
in
orthopedics
right
Orthopedic
outpatient
,
pt
,
et
cetera
,
in
orthopedics
,
right
Orthopedic
outpatient
,
pt
,
et
cetera
.
So
you
know
,
as
you
progress
through
all
of
that
and
you
learn
that
,
the
stoicism
that
you
carried
for
pain
,
I
remember
getting
treatment
at
one
point
and
it
was
a
DO
,
it
was
an
osteopath
really
kind
,
looked
at
the
person
who
was
with
me
and
said
she's
really
stoic
.
And
the
person
was
like
,
well
,
she
did
have
three
kids
with
no
pain
meds
.
So
we
all
had
a
laugh
.
But
you
know
,
looking
back
on
that
,
it's
again
,
it's
another
funny
,
not
funny
because
you
normalize
such
incredible
pain
on
a
regular
basis
that
you
don't
even
think
about
it
anymore
,
you
know
.
Speaker 2
6:39
So
,
through
about
,
let's
say
I
would
say
about
halfway
through
my
career
,
pushing
26
,
27
years
so
far
,
that's
when
I
started
to
really
really
attend
to
the
pelvic
health
aspect
of
things
.
And
somewhere
along
the
way
,
I
do
remember
the
moment
in
time
where
I
was
teaching
at
an
integrative
medicine
conference
.
This
is
where
things
changed
for
me
.
I
was
teaching
at
an
integrative
medicine
conference
.
This
is
where
things
changed
for
me
because
I
was
always
a
performing
vocalist
through
various
channels
,
mostly
singing
jazz
.
That
was
my
kind
of
regular
gig
,
you
know
moonlighting
side
job
.
But
I
ended
up
teaching
integrative
medicine
.
Speaker 2
7:21
I
was
talking
about
pelvic
health
and
yoga
at
a
medical
yoga
conference
and
it
was
in
Copper
Mountain
,
and
the
jazz
festival
was
at
the
same
time
and
somebody
found
out
that
I
also
do
jazz
.
I
guess
they
looked
up
YouTube
or
something
like
that
,
and
so
then
they
invited
me
to
perform
at
the
jazz
festival
at
the
same
time
that
I
was
slated
to
speak
and
just
before
I
went
on
stage
and
it
was
improv
I'd
never
met
these
people
I
was
going
to
perform
with
.
We
were
just
up
there
winging
it
,
and
how
nerve
wracking
that
was
.
But
the
cool
thing
was
I
talked
about
pelvic
floor
stuff
and
yoga
and
then
I
went
directly
from
lecturing
,
got
on
the
stage
and
performed
jazz
,
and
it's
that
point
that
things
started
to
meld
together
for
me
and
I
realized
there's
a
connection
between
the
voice
and
the
pelvic
floor
.
Speaker 2
8:14
And
then
I
started
to
present
on
it
,
talk
about
it
,
do
lit
reviews
and
stuff
like
that
,
and
then
now
I
teach
,
continuing
education
on
it
and
have
taught
it
for
about
a
decade
now
.
So
that's
kind
of
my
evolution
of
understanding
and
appreciating
,
moving
from
just
straight
up
ortho
and
into
kind
of
the
pain
space
,
the
integrative
and
lifestyle
medicine
space
,
and
then
ultimately
realizing
gosh
,
there
is
so
much
to
be
said
and
done
when
it
comes
to
integrative
care
for
endometriosis
.
But
then
also
this
other
concept
,
speaking
professionally
as
a
clinician
,
you
know
,
from
the
voice
to
pelvic
floor
side
.
So
you
know
that's
a
little
bit
about
my
personal
experience
with
it
because
quite
frankly
,
it
was
difficult
to
sing
sometimes
because
of
interference
of
pain
and
turns
out
all
these
things
that
were
happening
in
the
background
Right
cultures
of
medicine
,
like
yoga
,
like
Chinese
medicine
,
et
cetera
,
can
be
helpful
,
you
know
with
with
endo
and
pelvic
pain
and
and
also
how
much
it
helped
me
personally
.
Speaker 1
9:31
Well
,
it's
interesting
that
you
know
we
can
see
a
lot
of
our
picture
in
the
,
in
our
direction
.
Right
Like
it
,
it
is
our
map
.
A
lot
of
times
,
what
we
experience
is
what
pushes
us
to
ultimately
thrive
in
certain
spaces
,
because
we
become
passionate
about
it
and
we
are
seeing
correlations
and
it
helps
us
grow
,
not
only
as
people
or
patients
,
but
it's
helping
us
help
serve
others
,
which
I
think
is
life-giving
to
be
able
to
help
others
and
then
improve
their
quality
Voice and Pelvic Floor Connection
Speaker 1
10:02
of
life
.
And
something
that
I
love
that
you're
doing
is
the
pelvic
floor
and
the
voice
,
and
that's
interesting
to
me
.
We
started
talking
about
this
at
the
summit
and
both
of
us
it
struck
a
chord
because
I'm
a
vocalist
as
well
and
I
hadn't
really
put
those
pieces
together
for
myself
,
and
we
were
talking
about
you
know
,
you
think
about
,
as
vocalists
,
what
do
we
hear
when
we
first
start
singing
,
like
when
we're
starting
to
train
at
least
for
me
,
it's
if
you're
going
to
sit
,
you
sit
up
nice
and
tall
and
you
like
,
and
we
actually
did
.
Speaker 1
10:32
I'm
thinking
back
to
this
when
I
first
started
doing
voice
and
we
had
to
like
do
pelvic
tilts
in
voice
?
And
I
never
put
that
together
.
I
just
thought
it
was
because
you
wanted
to
,
like
you
know
,
loosen
up
a
little
bit
,
get
ready
,
get
that
diaphragm
filled
up
,
you
know
being
able
to
sing
and
project
out
far
as
you
possibly
can
while
maintaining
dynamics
.
So
all
of
this
kind
of
really
intrigued
me
when
you
started
talking
about
that
.
And
then
you
put
the
pain
piece
with
endometriosis
on
top
of
that
and
it's
just
I'm
seeing
so
much
of
my
story
and
what
you
were
talking
about
in
just
that
moment
Because
as
a
vocalist
,
you
need
to
be
able
to
sing
pain-free
or
it
comes
through
every
single
time
and
you
can
tell
in
inflections
and
you
can
tell
in
the
tone
that
someone's
singing
with
where
they're
at
.
Speaker 2
11:28
Yeah
,
you
can
see
you
can
hear
,
you
can
tell
so
much
about
a
person
just
by
listening
to
their
voice
.
We
did
a
presentation
on
that
one
time
at
our
national
PT
meeting
called
CSM
combined
sections
,
and
the
title
was
something
like
you
know
,
are
you
listening
to
your
patients
?
What
you
can
tell
you
know
about
their
pelvic
floor
by
listening
to
their
voice
,
and
that's
so
true
.
Speaker 1
11:51
Yeah
,
can
you
kind
of
take
us
through
some
of
what
you've
learned
with
that
connection
and
some
of
the
things
and
why
it's
so
important
to
understand
the
connection
between
your
voice
and
your
pelvic
floor
and
what
that
connection
is
?
Speaker 2
12:07
Yeah
,
I
think
one
of
the
easiest
ways
to
kind
of
feel
what's
meaningful
about
the
connection
is
to
talk
about
like
a
real
story
,
and
one
of
the
stories
that
is
coming
to
my
mind
is
well
,
of
course
I
can
share
one
personally
from
me
.
Speaker 2
12:24
Where
I
really
began
to
understand
the
voice
and
pelvic
floor
connection
is
when
I
was
pregnant
and
still
trying
to
sing
yes
,
yes
,
I
was
doing
some
fundraising
at
that
time
and
because
the
bigger
you
get
,
then
the
wider
your
rib
cage
gets
,
and
the
wider
your
rib
cage
gets
,
the
flatter
your
diaphragm
gets
and
your
diaphragm
needs
to
be
domed
.
And
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
will
image
using
ultrasound
in
practice
in
my
clinic
.
And
so
as
you
get
more
and
more
pregnant
,
you
know
,
the
diaphragm
gets
a
little
flatter
and
so
it
does
get
harder
to
breathe
,
it
does
to
get
harder
to
sustain
your
phrase
.
But
I
remember
being
pretty
close
to
the
end
because
one
of
my
sons
I
have
three
of
them
was
really
good
at
kicking
me
in
the
respiratory
diaphragm
and
he
kicked
me
in
the
middle
of
like
a
phrase
.
Was
it
your
second
?
Speaker 1
13:18
I
can't
you
know
.
I
think
it
was
.
It's
always
the
second
one
.
They're
the
rogue
ones
.
Speaker 2
13:32
He
never
slept
.
He
kicked
me
all
night
long
and
I
actually
he
kicked
me
so
hard
I
stopped
singing
in
the
middle
of
a
word
in
front
of
an
audience
and
that
was
kind
of
embarrassing
.
But
one
of
the
audience
members
came
up
after
and
thought
I
had
just
run
out
of
breath
because
I
was
pregnant
and
I
was
like
,
yeah
,
yeah
,
that's
what
happened
.
Not
,
he
kicked
me
in
the
diaphragm
in
the
middle
and
I
really
couldn't
do
anything
.
It
just
cut
my
,
cut
my
breath
Postpartum and Pelvic Health Care
Speaker 2
13:51
off
.
You
know
entirely
and
my
note
off
entirely
,
but
one
of
the
cases
that
I'm
thinking
about
,
someone
had
come
in
and
they
were
this
person
who
was
a
female
,
was
really
struggling
with
urgency
having
to
go
all
the
time
,
frequency
so
going
all
the
time
.
Speaker 2
14:08
The
sound
of
running
water
was
like
that
was
.
She
was
leaking
before
she
could
get
to
the
bathroom
.
And
this
is
a
young
woman
with
three
kids
and
of
course
,
the
standard
for
you
may
be
shocked
.
You
know
,
as
listeners
to
find
out
,
that
the
standard
for
postpartum
care
for
rehab
in
the
United
States
is
nothing
.
We
have
no
standards
of
care
for
postpartum
and
so
A
it
wasn't
her
fault
.
She
didn't
even
receive
a
referral
In
fact
.
No
,
you
know
who
should
have
referred
her
said
why
do
you
need
pelvic
PT
?
We
don't
refer
for
that
.
You
just
had
a
baby
,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
you
.
So
they
come
in
with
that
shame
that
they've
done
something
wrong
,
that
they
didn't
do
something
right
,
you
know
.
So
if
you're
listening
and
you've
had
a
baby
and
or
you
have
endo
and
you've
not
been
referred
to
pelvic
PT
,
not
your
fault
.
Have
endo
and
you've
not
been
referred
to
pelvic
PT
,
not
your
fault
.
Speaker 2
15:06
Someone
is
not
giving
you
good
care
.
So
that's
what
happened
with
her
.
So
she
came
in
with
these
issues
.
On
top
of
that
was
prolapse
,
pelvic
organ
prolapse
.
So
you
know
,
we
also
know
that
with
endo
there
,
can
you
know
,
sometimes
it
goes
hand
in
hand
with
hypermobility
.
That
means
not
just
joint
hypermobility
but
tissue
issues
.
So
tissue
stretch
and
hypermobility
,
that
means
not
just
joint
hypermobility
but
tissue
issues
.
So
tissue
stretch
and
hypermobility
,
and
that's
.
I
had
the
same
thing
.
So
it
wasn't
just
a
joint
.
You
know
that
was
bendy
.
It's
not
just
if
you're
watching
on
YouTube
,
it's
not
just
the
ability
to
pull
your
thumb
back
and
touch
your
arm
right
or
have
your
knee
or
your
elbow
hyperextended
it's
so
much
more
than
that
.
Speaker 2
15:42
And
so
she
was
having
those
issues
really
smart
person
with
a
master's
in
exercise
physiology
,
right
,
so
super
knowledgeable
and
so
she
came
and
sat
down
and
told
me
about
the
heaviness
and
the
dragging
and
the
frequency
and
the
leakage
and
kind
of
like
classic
postpartum
stuff
that's
never
been
attended
to
.
So
on
top
of
that
,
she
sat
down
and
started
to
talk
and
she
had
a
lot
of
hoarseness
and
her
voice
was
scratchy
.
I
could
tell
that
like
my
voice
a
little
today
is
pitched
a
little
lower
because
I've
been
talking
a
lot
this
week
,
particularly
in
maybe
less
than
healthy
vocal
practices
yeah
,
this
week
particularly
,
and
maybe
less
than
healthy
vocal
practices
,
yeah
.
So
I
could
tell
that
she
was
hoarse
and
I
was
like
let
me
just
ask
you
one
more
question
do
you
have
any
vocal
issues
?
Do
you
get
worse
or
did
you
get
laryngitis
?
And
she's
like
,
yes
,
I
lose
my
voice
every
week
,
like
on
a
regular
basis
.
Interesting
,
I
can't
get
through
my
job
,
wow
.
So
,
yeah
,
so
it
turns
out
.
Speaker 2
16:43
So
what
I
did
was
I
went
ahead
and
imaged
her
.
I
did
a
transabdominal
,
so
just
through
the
belly
,
ultrasound
imaging
,
and
I
asked
her
to
say
some
things
and
as
soon
as
she
started
talking
if
her
bladder
is
like
the
shape
of
my
hand
,
so
imagine
a
piece
of
toast
right
,
a
piece
of
bread
and
every
time
she
spoke
her
bladder
would
bounce
with
every
word
.
If
I'm
speaking
now
,
imagine
with
every
word
your
bladder
is
translating
down
,
which
is
really
not
what
it's
supposed
to
do
.
It's
supposed
to
just
stay
steady
.
Maybe
if
you
sang
really
loud
and
powerful
with
very
good
technique
,
maybe
sometimes
it
would
go
down
,
but
for
the
most
part
it
should
do
nothing
.
Or
if
you
want
real
vocal
power
,
it
can
come
up
.
On
imaging
the
bladder
base
would
come
up
,
but
that's
not
what
happened
.
She
was
,
I
call
it
,
oblique
speak
and
psoas
speak
.
Speaker 1
17:42
And
.
Speaker 2
17:43
I
have
a
couple
of
YouTube
videos
where
you
could
just
like
Ginger
Garner
,
psoas
speaking
,
and
it'll
come
up
.
Because
that's
what
was
happening
Every
time
she
said
a
word
,
her
hip
flexors
were
contracting
.
So
if
you're
out
there
and
you
have
chronic
hip
flexor
tightness
tightness
in
the
abdominal
region
that
just
seems
to
never
go
away
that
could
be
what's
happening
.
Speaker 1
18:04
It's
voicing
yeah
,
that's
fascinating
.
How
do
you
address
those
issues
?
How
do
you
address
it
to
the
point
where
people
can
,
yeah
,
gain
better
control
of
those
things
,
or
or
maybe
that
loosen
?
I
don't
know
.
Speaker 2
18:23
Yeah
,
well
,
the
word
you
used
,
control
,
is
key
.
Speaker 2
18:26
I
think
it's
retraining
their
nervous
system
.
I
call
it
resetting
.
I'll
often
say
push
the
button
,
push
the
reset
button
,
and
when
someone
comes
in
,
I'm
like
,
okay
,
this
is
what
we're
going
to
do
.
These
are
the
patterns
that
we've
noticed
,
which
I
will
usually
identify
either
with
my
hands
,
manual
therapy
or
with
imaging
,
because
imaging
doesn't
lie
,
it's
just
right
there
and
they
can
see
it
,
and
I'll
say
you
know
,
let's
press
the
reset
button
,
because
we
just
need
to
retrain
what
your
muscles
are
doing
.
You
didn't
do
anything
wrong
.
You
didn't
deliberately
choose
to
Voice and Pelvic Health Connection
Speaker 2
18:56
do
this
.
Speaker 2
18:56
Your
body
takes
the
path
of
least
resistance
and
we
use
our
voices
every
day
.
Every
single
one
of
us
depend
on
our
voice
.
It's
critical
,
it's
it's
how
we
,
you
know
,
make
a
living
,
it's
how
we
connect
,
it's
how
we
communicate
,
it's
how
we
create
change
,
and
so
that's
why
it's
easy
to
go
to
the
voice
as
a
pelvic
floor
treatment
which
is
really
applicable
for
endometriosis
,
because
there's
often
so
much
trauma
surrounding
your
delay
in
care
,
your
delay
in
diagnosis
,
not
having
access
to
really
good
excision
surgeons
,
really
good
pelvic
PTs
and
OTs
that
specialize
.
So
there's
a
lot
of
trauma
around
that
and
you
can
imagine
that
.
Also
a
lot
of
pain
.
Usually
the
last
thing
someone
with
endo
wants
is
to
have
another
exam
,
right
?
Yes
,
another
pelvic
exam
,
checking
more
stuff
and
poking
around
in
an
area
that
is
already
so
incredibly
point
,
tender
and
can
be
with
the
bladder
,
the
bowel
.
It's
not
just
about
the
pelvic
floor
,
right
?
So
I
look
at
the
voice
as
an
alternate
way
to
start
pelvic
health
care
and
treatment
for
endo
,
because
this
is
easily
accessible
.
Speaker 2
20:16
The
voice
is
where
we
either
feel
empowered
or
disempowered
.
So
oftentimes
there's
a
lot
of
gentleness
,
compassion
,
empathy
,
care
and
concern
that
I
will
put
into
the
language
that
I
use
,
because
I
think
treating
the
vocal
area
can
be
just
as
sensitive
as
treating
the
pelvic
area
,
but
it
is
more
accessible
in
terms
of
if
someone
has
a
psoas's
snarky
further
.
So
,
as
speaking
and
I
think
every
woman
with
endo
comes
in
have
with
trauma
from
the
system
,
because
rarely
do
they
get
the
care
that
they
need
on
time
and
appropriately
.
So
every
person
that
I
see
I
use
a
trauma
form
informed
approach
.
So
let's
say
they
come
in
,
I'm
using
a
trauma
informed
approach
.
I'm
let's
say
they
come
in
,
I'm
using
a
trauma
informed
approach
.
I'm
using
integrative
medicine
with
a
functional
medicine
approach
.
I
might
start
orofacial
releases
.
I
have
a
YouTube
video
Orofacial
Release
Part
One
.
I'll
be
quickly
doing
that
,
yeah
,
so
check
it
out
that
I
will
teach
basic
orofacial
release
because
of
the
fascial
and
neural
connections
to
the
diaphragm
,
the
psoas
,
the
hip
flexors
and
the
pelvic
floor
.
Speaker 1
21:32
Oh
my
goodness
,
that
is
fascinating
yeah
it
works
so
well
.
Speaker 2
21:39
Once
you
try
that
and
you
get
into
the
flow
of
practicing
it
,
then
I
know
,
even
now
,
as
I'm
speaking
right
now
,
because
I've
had
endo
,
I
just
had
surgery
a
few
months
ago
.
I'm
really
aware
of
,
you
know
,
my
pelvic
floor
.
Is
it
totally
,
100%
,
swimmingly
wonderful
?
No
,
right
,
yeah
,
it's
only
been
like
a
few
months
.
It'll
take
a
year
,
right
,
right
,
right
,
just
like
with
any
other
major
surgery
.
So
every
time
I
speak
,
I'm
aware
if
I'm
singing
,
which
is
currently
in
the
car
I
don't
currently
perform
anywhere
,
just
singing
in
the
car
I'm
aware
.
Am
I
creating
downward
pressure
gradient
?
Am
I
pulling
in
too
much
abdominals
or
too
much
hip
flexor
?
And
if
so
,
is
it
?
Is
it
creating
,
you
know
,
stress
on
the
voice
?
Speaker 1
22:26
Because
if
there's
stress
in
your
voice
,
there's
stress
on
your
pelvic
floor
Interesting
and
I'm
like
sitting
here
thinking
about
just
my
journey
and
my
story
and
like
seeing
so
much
of
this
becomes
so
relevant
to
what
I
have
gone
through
personally
.
Again
,
I
haven't
sang
in
a
really
long
time
and
I
don't
perform
anymore
,
but
I
remember
when
I
,
prior
to
being
diagnosed
I
was
probably
18
at
the
time
and
I
remember
just
being
in
so
much
pain
and
I
had
to
go
up
and
sing
on
stage
and
I
I
couldn't
hit
the
notes
I
wanted
to
hit
and
I
couldn't
project
the
way
I
wanted
to
project
and
I
couldn't
.
I
just
and
it
physically
was
not
happening
,
like
my
mind
connection
was
there
.
I
knew
the
notes
I
needed
to
make
but
but
I
couldn't
get
them
out
and
I
know
that
I
have
hit
these
notes
.
I
don't
know
how
many
times
I've
sang
this
song
,
I
don't
know
how
many
times
,
but
after
I
got
up
there
,
I
just
could
not
get
it
out
and
I
just
put
that
into
.
Speaker 1
23:26
Well
,
I'm
in
pain
right
now
,
but
now
there's
a
correlation
between
those
things
and
I
remember
having
to
sit
down
because
I
was
in
so
much
pain
and
we
didn't
really
know
at
that
time
I
thought
it
was
just
kidney
stone
.
Well
,
actually
,
what
they
thought
it
was
was
cancer
at
the
time
and
I
was
18
and
they
were
like
,
well
,
it
could
be
cervical
cancer
,
it
could
be
ovarian
cancer
Cause
they
really
didn't
know
.
And
I
remember
feeling
not
only
depressed
and
you
could
tell
within
my
voice
,
but
I
the
tension
I
was
holding
in
my
body
.
I
just
remember
thinking
back
to
that
moment
and
I
don't
think
about
this
moment
often
because
particularly
pleasant
,
but
just
looking
at
that
correlation
and
how
my
body
,
how
tight
it
was
,
and
how
I
felt
less
than
adequate
with
my
mobility
and
my
voice
making
so
much
more
sense
.
Speaker 2
24:15
Yeah
,
it
wasn't
because
you
weren't
trying
hard
enough
.
Speaker 1
24:20
It
wasn't
.
Speaker 2
24:21
You
know
.
It's
not
because
your
body
doesn't
know
how
,
or
you
,
because
there
is
that
mind
body
connection
where
you
know
exactly
where
you
want
to
hit
that
E
or
that
C
and
you
just
go
for
it
.
You
just
hit
the
note
,
you
know
,
and
then
when
you're
in
pain
,
so
so
much
happens
where
and
that's
true
with
activity
too
you
don't
,
you
can't
fully
do
the
activity
you
want
,
whether
it's
singing
or
weightlifting
or
whatever
it
is
that
you
love
to
do
,
you
know
,
biking
or
hiking
with
your
kids
or
whatnot
.
You
just
can't
quite
hit
the
blank
.
And
so
when
someone
comes
in
I've
had
multiple
women
come
in
never
having
been
screened
for
endo
at
all
investigation
,
you
know
,
is
necessary
Because
you
can
have
some
of
those
similar
issues
when
you
have
voice
,
issues
that
actually
can
correlate
and
overlap
with
symptoms
of
endo
that
you
know
in
the
typical
mainstream
healthcare
right
that's
very
curative
in
nature
and
never
really
is
looking
for
endo
at
all
.
Speaker 2
25:37
You
can
have
painful
breathing
,
painful
respiration
,
and
if
you
think
about
things
like
what
we
know
with
the
existence
of
thoracic
endometriosis
now
that
should
raise
red
flags
.
Of
course
,
as
a
therapist
I
go
and
treat
the
things
I
would
normally
treat
and
if
that
pain
persists
.
It
sends
up
a
red
flag
for
me
that
I
have
treated
the
respiratory
diaphragm
,
I
have
done
the
visceral
mobilization
and
manipulation
,
I've
done
due
diligence
.
It's
still
there
,
right
.
And
then
you
begin
to
think
okay
,
let's
,
let's
dive
a
little
bit
deeper
,
which
is
where
the
functional
medicine
approach
really
is
helpful
.
Speaker 1
26:14
Yeah
,
what
are
some
things
that
people
should
be
looking
for
when
they're
thinking
about
that
connection
in
pelvic
floor
?
What
should
they
be
feeling
?
That
maybe
should
indicate
that
something's
off
or
that
they're
doing
okay
?
Because
I
think
for
me
I
can
,
now
that
I'm
aware
of
you
,
know
some
of
those
connections
.
I'm
going
to
be
really
paying
attention
to
this
,
I'm
going
to
be
really
trying
to
hone
in
,
and
that's
probably
just
me
,
but
I
think
there's
others
that
might
be
intrigued
to
learn
.
What
should
we
be
aware
of
me
?
Speaker 2
26:44
but
I
think
there's
others
that
might
be
intrigued
to
learn
.
What
should
we
be
aware
of
?
Yeah
,
that's
a
great
question
.
Here's
a
very
common
scenario
.
Speaker 2
26:53
My
caseload
is
consistently
filled
with
women
with
endo
who
come
in
and
they
have
a
variety
of
symptoms
.
Quite
often
it
can
be
headache
,
jaw
pain
.
So
they
get
misdiagnosed
with
like
TMJD
,
which
they
could
actually
have
.
They
have
a
lot
of
orofacial
restriction
here
,
so
when
someone's
speaking
you
shouldn't
be
able
to
see
.
So
if
I
turn
my
head
,
you
can
see
this
muscle
standing
out
,
but
when
I
turn
back
and
I'm
just
breathing
and
talking
,
you
shouldn't
see
it
.
If
there's
resting
tension
in
this
whole
neck
and
orofacial
area
,
that's
a
red
flag
.
If
you
constantly
and
chronically
have
headaches
that
no
one
can
figure
out
what
they
are
,
that's
a
red
flag
.
Speaker 2
27:32
If
when
you're
trying
to
take
your
fingers
and
another
YouTube
video
I
have
that
is
maybe
helpful
is
a
respiratory
diaphragm
release
,
where
I
teach
you
how
to
get
up
under
the
rib
cage
,
not
to
just
poke
at
the
stomach
and
the
liver
,
but
to
trap
the
diaphragm
by
coming
around
underneath
your
rib
cage
to
make
sure
that
the
respiratory
diaphragm
is
actually
as
mobile
as
it
should
be
,
or
what
we
call
clinically
within
kind
of
functional
limits
.
And
if
that's
not
there
,
that's
a
red
flag
because
coming
on
down
,
you
know
the
kind
of
the
snowball
effect
is
headaches
,
jaw
tightness
,
vocal
issues
,
painful
breathing
,
and
then
they'll
have
this
kind
of
diffuse
low
back
pain
where
sometimes
it
feels
like
a
corset
and
wraps
around
.
Sometimes
it's
central
low
back
pain
,
sometimes
it
can
feel
like
sacroiliac
joint
pain
and
then
you
get
into
the
classic
pelvic
pain
that
everyone
associates
with
endo
but
doesn't
realize
.
Maybe
that
endo
is
a
systemic
issue
that
you
can
have
kind
of
tip
to
toe
pain
and
head
to
toe
pain
.
So
when
they
start
having
that
back
pain
and
pain
that
wraps
around
to
the
front
of
the
abdominal
cavity
,
if
they're
exquisitely
point
tender
,
when
I
go
to
press
around
where
the
small
intestine
or
the
large
intestine
would
be
,
then
I
begin
to
rule
out
things
like
well
,
is
it
a
snarky
psoas
right
back
to
the
hip
flexors
?
Speaker 2
28:57
Is
it
an
overactive
internal
oblique
?
Just
picking
some
things
out
that
are
that
are
typical
a
lot
of
times
when
someone's
been
in
pain
for
a
while
,
just
to
speak
,
they're
pushing
so
hard
to
get
sound
out
that
they
are
over-breathing
and
over-breathing
ends
up
overly
recruiting
the
internal
oblique
,
among
other
things
.
Not
just
that
,
but
you
can
see
that
on
imaging
.
And
that's
where
imaging
comes
in
and
is
really
handy
,
because
the
normal
ratios
you
would
see
in
the
abdominal
cavity
aren't
there
.
They
have
the
reactive
muscles
.
I
call
them
trauma
posturing
muscles
.
Speaker 2
29:38
Think
about
when
you're
in
pain
.
It
hurts
really
bad
.
We've
all
been
there
.
If
you've
had
endo
and
you're
just
kind
of
curled
up
in
a
ball
,
you
can't
really
stretch
out
.
It
hurts
to
breathe
.
It
hurts
to
stretch
out
.
It
hurts
really
bad
,
we've
all
been
there
.
If
you've
had
endo
and
you're
just
kind
of
curled
up
in
a
ball
,
you
can't
really
stretch
out
.
It
hurts
to
breathe
.
It
hurts
to
stretch
out
.
It
hurts
to
walk
.
It
hurts
to
weight
bear
.
All
those
muscles
that
do
that
,
the
ones
in
the
front
of
the
neck
,
the
abdominals
,
the
hip
flexor
,
the
pelvic
floor
.
They
all
shorten
and
tighten
,
just
kind
of
like
what
you
were
describing
when
you
were
18
.
It's
a
trauma
posture
.
It's
kind
of
like
what
you
were
describing
when
you
were
18
.
Speaker 2
30:04
Yeah
,
it's
a
trauma
posture
,
yeah
,
and
if
no
one's
there
to
help
you
out
of
it
,
you
stay
in
it
and
your
voice
suffers
for
it
,
your
pelvic
floor
suffers
,
you
begin
to
over-breathe
,
the
respiratory
diaphragm
gets
shorter
and
tighter
and
shorter
and
tighter
and
then
that's
where
the
back
pain
comes
in
,
which
can
implicate
nerves
sometimes
.
Speaker 2
30:22
So
it's
not
unusual
to
have
someone
come
in
and
have
kind
of
like
a
sciatica
issue
,
but
it's
really
not
sciatica
,
it's
coming
from
other
things
.
So
those
are
some
of
the
things
kind
of
the
voice
to
pelvic
floor
connection
that
you
would
look
for
,
that
you
would
want
somebody
voice
to
pelvic
floor
informed
,
or
I
just
call
it
a
V
to
PF
approach
,
because
they
will
look
from
head
to
toe
at
all
of
those
things
and
make
sure
that
they've
cleared
the
voice
,
they've
cleared
the
respiratory
diaphragm
and
they've
cleared
the
pelvic
floor
.
And
you
know
,
and
in
terms
of
post-op
,
you
know
,
endosurgery
that's
I
swear
by
you
know
,
using
that
full
approach
because
,
again
,
we
all
need
our
voice
and
so
when
I
do
,
imaging
I
want
to
make
sure
that
they
can
speak
.
If
they
sing
,
they
can
sing
If
they
play
an
instrument
for
fun
,
or
maybe
that's
their
job
,
that
they
can
do
that
and
still
move
and
use
their
voice
and
it
not
adversely
impact
the
pelvic
floor
or
their
core
.
Speaker 1
31:19
Interesting
.
I'm
Holistic Approach to Women's Health
Speaker 1
31:20
.
You
know
I'm
sitting
here
thinking
as
you're
describing
this
.
So
when
I
was
probably
just
starting
my
menstrual
cycle
,
I
started
having
a
really
hard
time
breathing
and
they
finally
put
me
in
therapy
for
vocal
cord
dysfunction
.
Speaker 1
31:34
Oh
,
my
gosh
with
my
pain
and
headaches
were
common
all
the
time
,
even
still
sometimes
.
I'll
get
that
where
I'm
like
I
can
tell
I'll
do
a
release
on
this
nerve
right
here
,
the
vagal
nerve
right
there
,
right
along
the
neck
line
,
there's
that
muscle
that
you're
talking
about
.
Right
,
I'll
go
in
there
and
kind
of
massage
it
,
because
I
can
tell
I'm
really
tight
in
my
voice
,
my
head
is
killing
me
,
I'm
having
a
harder
time
getting
a
deep
breath
in
and
I'm
in
that
pain
posture
,
I'm
curled
up
right
,
and
so
that
is
just
more
validation
to
what
you
do
,
because
I'm
seeing
my
own
story
in
everything
you
just
said
,
and
that's
from
years
.
That's
from
,
I
mean
,
I
was
probably
gosh
10
or
11
when
this
started
and
they
could
not
figure
it
out
.
So
who
knows
?
But
wow
,
that
is
.
Speaker 2
32:33
Yeah
,
you
know
,
when
you
think
about
the
10
or
11
year
old
,
and
the
first
time
I
started
having
pain
was
I
was
a
teenager
,
I
was
about
15
,
16
.
And
you
think
about
those
parts
that
15-year-old
that
10-year-old
.
That
part
was
experience
,
that
pain
and
trauma
that
nobody
had
an
answer
for
for
a
lot
of
decades
you
know
,
after
that
,
and
that
part
still
needs
a
voice
too
.
Speaker 1
33:03
Yeah
,
they
do
,
and
it's
hard
to
find
that
voice
when
we're
trying
to
find
our
voice
in
the
world
.
Speaker 2
33:09
Right
,
so
you
have
yourself
,
as
we're
sitting
here
now
right
.
Speaker 2
33:12
Yeah
,
our
adult
self
no-transcript
,
that
little
girl
,
that
little
teenager
,
just
like
you
have
that
.
That
part
too
needs
to
be
reassured
.
You
know
like
they
need
their
it's
.
I'm
really
describing
internal
family
systems
.
You
know
IFS
therapy
,
but
that's
why
it's
so
important
,
I
think
,
to
have
a
therapist
that
is
aware
of
that
.
You
know
your
providers
need
to
be
psych-informed
,
right
,
because
it's
not
a
psychosomatic
issue
.
The
pain
is
very
real
,
but
if
you're
not
acknowledging
those
pieces
and
parts
that
were
stuck
in
those
trauma
postures
,
then
they're
still
there
.
Your
psoas
still
remembers
that
,
right
.
You
know
the
respiratory
diaphragm
remembers
that
and
um
,
and
I
think
there's
value
in
addressing
that
in
an
integrative
way
so
you
can
fully
heal
.
Speaker 1
34:25
Yeah
,
oh
,
I
remember
actually
the
first
time
I
ever
went
to
pelvic
floor
PT
this
is
post
excision
and
I
hadn't
really
heard
about
pelvic
.
Speaker 1
34:34
I
didn't
even
know
what
a
pelvic
floor
was
for
,
like
probably
till
I
went
,
but
I
had
no
idea
that
all
of
these
connections
played
a
part
in
my
whole
being
Right
.
This
isn't
just
like
a
pelvic
thing
,
it's
a
whole
body
thing
.
And
so
I
,
after
my
excision
,
I
went
to
my
pelvic
floor
physical
therapist
and
she
goes
do
you
have
a
good
counselor
or
a
good
therapist
?
I
was
one
of
the
first
questions
she
asked
me
and
it
wasn't
because
she
wanted
to
invalidate
what
I've
been
through
or
what
I'm
going
through
,
but
what
she
told
me
and
I
was
like
it
made
such
an
impact
on
me
.
She
said
,
because
you
for
years
have
been
keeping
this
in
and
you
are
so
tight
,
she
goes
,
part
of
the
release
is
talking
this
through
with
someone
that
can
really
help
you
release
some
of
that
tension
and
heal
,
and
that's
part
of
the
healing
journey
.
And
so
she
refers
all
her
patients
out
for
help
in
that
way
because
the
impact
of
that
on
our
bodies
is
significant
.
Speaker 2
35:33
Yeah
,
it's
something
that
on
our
bodies
is
significant
.
Yeah
,
it's
something
that's
not
even
been
measured
.
Yeah
,
you
know
,
or
researched
you
think
about
.
Most
people
who
have
a
medical
condition
get
care
for
it
right
away
,
but
we
go
through
usually
typically
decades
of
medical
gaslighting
and
misdiagnosis
.
I
had
multiple
surgeries
that
they
always
found
something
wrong
and
it
was
valid
,
but
it
wasn't
the
driver
,
it
was
always
a
secondary
fallout
piece
of
the
puzzle
.
It
was
something
that
happened
as
a
result
of
the
endometriosis
.
It
wasn't
the
primary
,
the
root
cause
.
What
you
said
,
too
,
is
I
just
want
to
restate
that
for
everyone
that
if
you
go
to
your
pelvic
PT
or
your
endosurgeon
and
they
suggest
seeing
someone
for
mental
health
,
it
isn't
because
they're
trying
to
invalidate
you
or
they
don't
believe
your
pain
.
It's
that
your
pain
is
that
important
that
it
takes
a
team
to
address
it
.
Speaker 1
36:31
And
that's
where
that
multidisciplinary
approach
is
key
in
any
care
.
But
I
think
what
you're
doing
adds
a
whole
new
level
of
understanding
,
gives
even
those
physical
therapists
another
tool
to
look
at
in
the
tool
belt
of
figuring
out
the
mapping
of
pain
and
the
correlation
of
pain
and
kind
of
helping
the
patient
decipher
what
to
do
next
.
I
think
this
is
huge
.
I
mean
,
it's
such
a
great
,
tangible
way
of
us
looking
at
our
whole
body
and
how
that
connection
plays
a
big
part
in
our
overall
wellbeing
.
I'm
just
so
fascinated
by
this
and
for
those
of
us
that
are
really
fascinated
because
I
think
a
lot
of
us
are
going
to
be
very
fascinated
by
what
you've
talked
about
what
are
some
resources
that
you
have
?
You've
talked
about
your
YouTube
pages
.
You
also
have
a
podcast
.
Speaker 2
37:26
What
other
things
are
you
doing
?
Well
,
I
always
try
to
have
free
resources
out
there
.
So
,
from
the
free
side
of
things
,
you
can
go
to
garnerpelvichealthcom
and
you
can
sign
up
for
a
voice
to
pelvic
floor
course
.
That's
free
and
it's
very
yoga
driven
because
it's
really
all
about
breathing
.
In
that
case
that
I
mentioned
earlier
,
we
were
able
to
change
her
urgency
,
frequency
,
leakage
and
prolapse
just
by
changing
a
breathing
technique
.
Interesting
,
yeah
,
it's
like
didn't
require
a
single
Kegel
,
yeah
,
In
fact
usually
it
doesn't
?
Speaker 2
38:05
Yeah
,
uh-huh
,
you
know
there's
a
place
for
them
,
but
not
typically
alone
or
isolated
,
and
usually
not
often
.
But
I
do
have
a
free
course
,
a
free
voice
to
pelvic
floor
course
at
GarnerPelvicHealthcom
.
People
who
are
really
interested
or
looking
for
resources
.
I
do
first
consults
free
at
GarnerPelvicHealthcom
too
.
If
you
want
to
subscribe
to
my
YouTube
channel
,
I
have
a
voice
to
pelvic
floor
,
which
I
also
call
three
diaphragm
,
the
three
diaphragm
approach
.
I
like
it
.
I
have
a
voice
to
pelvic
floor
playlist
.
It
has
,
oh
,
50
or
so
videos
for
voice
to
pelvic
floor
.
Wow
,
that's
at
Dr
Ginger
Garner
and
I
would
love
to
interact
with
you
guys
on
at
Dr
Ginger
Garner
.
Speaker 1
38:54
Yes
,
and
I
mean
you
come
out
with
so
much
great
content
Like
I
don't
actually
know
how
you
do
it
all
.
I
don't
know
how
you
do
everything
.
You're
like
superwoman
.
Speaker 2
39:03
Oh
gosh
,
yeah
,
I
don't
have
a
cape
,
I
don't
.
Speaker 1
39:09
We
need
to
get
you
one
,
because
I
don't
know
how
you
do
it
all
.
Speaker 2
39:13
Oh
,
I
have
music
,
music
helps
and
yoga
helps
and
you
know
all
of
those
things
.
But
it's
just
it's
driven
by
a
bunch
of
passion
that
I
want
other
women
to
get
care
quicker
and
have
it
be
comprehensive
and
if
they
can
avoid
medical
gaslighting
,
that
would
be
a
profound
and
amazing
thing
.
To
end
medical
gaslighting
.
I
forgot
to
mention
my
podcast
,
because
that's
what
it's
about
.
Yeah
,
the
last
way
that
you
can
interact
with
me
is
Living
Well
Podcast
that's
anywhere
you
get
your
podcasts
and
it
is
about
ending
medical
gaslighting
in
women's
and
pelvic
health
.
Oh
,
it's
so
fascinating
,
yeah
,
oh
,
and
season
four
,
which
is
coming
up
in
the
fall
.
I'm
getting
ready
to
do
season
three
,
which
is
all
going
to
be
about
self-care
and
guided
self-care
activities
,
so
all
kinds
of
fun
stuff
for
voice
to
pelvic
floor
.
So
subscribe
to
that
.
But
then
my
next
season
in
the
fall
,
is
going
to
be
completely
dedicated
to
endometriosis
.
Speaker 1
40:16
Oh
,
that's
going
to
be
incredible
.
That's
going
to
be
incredible
,
and
you
have
some
books
as
well
.
Speaker 2
40:21
I
do
.
One
is
medical
therapeutic
yoga
,
and
these
are
both
for
healthcare
providers
.
So
I
tell
people
they're
great
for
learning
yoga
and
integrative
lifestyle
medicine
and
they're
also
great
for
propping
up
an
uneven
coffee
table
.
They're
medical
textbooks
and
they're
dry
.
Oh
no
,
oh
,
man
.
So
I
have
integrative
and
lifestyle
medicine
and
PT
that
I
co
edited
and
wrote
with
Dr
Joe
Tata
and
then
and
medical
therapeutic
yoga
,
which
is
all
about
keeping
yoga
safe
for
gosh
,
really
women
and
people
with
hypermobility
.
When
it
comes
down
to
it
,
there
are
a
lot
of
.
You
know
there's
a
big
spectrum
of
hypermobility
,
which
includes
endometriosis
.
Speaker 2
41:06
So
that
was
one
of
my
big
issues
is
,
you
know
,
and
yoga
is
like
hip
openers
.
It's
like
ditching
the
phrase
hip
openers
and
focusing
on
stability
bio
,
psycho
,
social
stability
in
yoga
,
instead
of
using
yoga
just
for
some
kind
of
alphabet
,
cheerleading
,
stretchy
mobility
kind
of
thing
.
Speaker 1
41:27
See
,
I'm
learning
so
much
about
this
and
it'd
be
interesting
and
maybe
you
know
more
and
we
can
talk
to
them
this
another
time
but
the
hypermobility
piece
to
your
vocal
cords
and
pelvic
floor
,
because
that
would
be
fascinating
to
someone
who
has
EDS
to
learn
more
about
that
.
Speaker 2
41:44
Maybe
we
can
do
a
part
two
.
Let's
do
a
part
two
sometime
.
There's
so
much
to
be
said
about
that
because
,
like
I
mentioned
,
I
have
hypermobility
and
endo
and
all
the
things
,
and
so
when
I
started
to
experience
it
in
my
own
body
,
I
knew
that
the
yoga
that
was
calibrated
and
and
built
for
men
and
boys
was
not
going
to
fit
me
at
all
.
And
it
was
the
catalyst
to
to
write
medical
,
therapeutic
yoga
,
because
the
way
that
I
recalibrated
it
,
it
saved
me
from
not
just
being
hypermobile
and
getting
hurt
.
It
also
prevented
me
from
needing
surgery
to
surgically
stabilize
my
C-spine
.
So
it
saved
me
.
It
saved
my
life
in
many
ways
.
Speaker 1
42:26
Yeah
,
oh
,
ginger
,
you're
amazing
.
You're
just
.
I'm
such
a
wealth
of
knowledge
and
I'm
so
thankful
that
we
were
able
to
cross
paths
and
just
talk
more
about
this
,
and
I'm
so
impressed
by
everything
you're
doing
.
You're
just
amazing
.
So
I
want
to
learn
more
.
And
if
you
want
to
learn
more
,
go
ahead
and
follow
Ginger
on
all
her
different
platforms
and
continue
to
just
thrive
in
that
space
,
because
I
know
that
she
will
just
impact
your
life
with
the
knowledge
that
she
has
.
And
so
thank
you
so
much
for
joining
me
today
and
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
,
and
you're
just
so
pleasant
to
be
around
and
just
I
love
learning
from
you
.
Speaker 2
43:03
Thank
you
,
alana
,
thank
you
for
what
you're
doing
to
your
.
The
advocacy
work
that
you're
doing
is
is
mind
blowing
to
me
,
and
it's
it
and
it
makes
me
wish
I
could
do
all
that
stuff
Community Advocacy and Support
Speaker 2
43:15
too
.
But
you
know
what
it
takes
a
village
,
and
I'm
so
glad
that
you're
out
there
doing
it
,
because
we
can't
do
it
all
.
No
,
we
can't
do
it
all
but
we
can
help
each
other
,
do
it
all
,
that's
right
.
Speaker 1
43:25
That's
right
.
Speaker 1
43:26
It
does
take
a
village
.
That's
why
we
started
,
when
we
started
the
nonprofit
it's
called
Indo
Village
for
this
region
for
support
and
advocacy
and
education
,
and
we
did
it
because
it
takes
a
village
.
It
takes
a
village
to
create
that
change
and
that
push
forward
,
and
,
and
all
of
us
,
all
of
you
out
there
,
are
part
of
this
change
and
you
can
be
part
of
this
village
to
sit
down
at
the
table
with
us
,
have
these
discussions
and
see
where
you
can
lend
your
gifts
,
skills
and
abilities
to
help
our
community
heal
and
thrive
,
and
I
just
I
think
you
can
make
such
a
huge
impact
for
so
many
different
people
.
So
,
but
,
thank
you
again
and
until
next
time
,
everyone
continue
advocating
for
you
and
for
those
that
you
love
.
Thank you for speaking on this! There’s little to no research but I’m struggling